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« Responder #8520 em: 2015-07-14 17:55:01 »
e o varoufakis estava determinado a ir muito mais longe que o tsipras.
mas sempre dentro do euro.
não consigo compreender.

L

tambem nao,
 o tipo jogou para sair euro
agora quando alemaes  oferecem um saida sem embargo
o tipo vai de ferias.

Não. ele próprio admitiu que essa hipótese nunca esteve em cima da mesa de forma séria.
ele foi demitido pelo tsipras por pressão da alemanha que não queria negociar mais com ele e como sinal de boa vontade.

L
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alguem queira sair euro a bruta fazia o mesmo que ele fez
Democracia Socialista Democrata. igualdade de quem berra mais O que é meu é meu o que é teu é nosso

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« Responder #8521 em: 2015-07-14 18:13:03 »
Roach Motel Economics

So we have learned that the euro is a Roach Motel — once you go in, you can never get out. And once inside you are at the mercy of those who can pull your financing and crash your banking system unless you toe the line.

I and many others have had a lot to say about the politics of this reality. But let me say a word about the economic implications for the euro area as a whole — which are basically that Europe has created a system that treats surplus and deficit countries asymmetrically, even more than the classical gold standard, and leads to a severe deflationary bias.

This is true both for fiscal issues and for balance of payments issues. Debtors are forced into draconian austerity, while creditors face no pressure to reflate; economic crisis, which should be met with expansionary policy, instead leads to contraction because of this asymmetry. Meanwhile, countries that find themselves overvalued are forced to deflate in an effort to regain competitiveness, while undervalued counties face no pressure to help out with a higher inflation rate — so at times of major misalignment, when moderate inflation can help, the overall effect is declining inflation and maybe even deflation.

And we’re talking about huge costs here. Look at the crude Phillips curve I estimated for Greece a few days back, shown in the chart.



It suggests that it takes about 4 point-years of output gap to reduce prices relative to baseline by 1 percentage point. So suppose that you are 25 percent overvalued, and get no help from higher inflation in the core. Then “internal devaluation” requires sacrificing around 100 percent of a year’s GDP. Let’s repeat that: given what we now know about the rules of the game, countries as overvalued as much of the European periphery became thanks to the lending boom are supposed to sacrifice a full year’s economic output as part of a process of beating prices and wages down.

Now more than ever, the euro looks like a terrible idea.

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« Responder #8522 em: 2015-07-14 18:15:35 »
O que o BCE fez aos bancos Gregos, a FED faria a bancos Americanos que não tivessem colateral para obter liquidez.

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A principal diferença é que não tenderiam a estar todos juntos no mesmo local. E claro, bancos que cheguem a esse ponto se calhar já teriam sido intervencionados pela FDIC.
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« Responder #8523 em: 2015-07-14 19:27:26 »
Depois coloco aqui o resultado...
10 Call 1.4
11 Put 1.4

17 Jul
Já estiveram com 25% de lucro, o que nas Opções é normal e o seu contrário...
mas decidi deixar até ao resultado da reunião... e está difícil!!!
Nunca pensei que demoraria tanto tempo a Grécia a tomar uma decisão.
Devia ter vendido quando tive os 25% de lucro, mas não o fiz...

Vou fazer um rollover para 31 de Julho e hoje fiz:
10 Call 1.4 vou manter ou exercer na sexta
11 Put 1.4  Vendi agora a 1.05

Entretanto para 31 Julho, compra
10 Call .85
11 Put 1.4
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« Responder #8524 em: 2015-07-14 19:52:29 »
Curiosamente o GREK agora afunda bastante ... -8.3%!
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« Responder #8525 em: 2015-07-14 19:56:16 »
agora vem ai eleicoes e grexit  :D

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« Responder #8526 em: 2015-07-14 19:57:22 »
On the Euro Summit’s Statement on Greece: First thoughts
Posted on July 14, 2015 by yanisv

In the next hours and days, I shall be sitting in Parliament to assess the legislation that is part of the recent Euro Summit agreement on Greece. I am also looking forward to hearing in person from my comrades, Alexis Tsipras and Euclid Tsakalotos, who have been through so much over the past few days. Till then, I shall reserve judgment regarding the legislation before us. Meanwhile, here are some first, impressionistic thoughts stirred up by the Euro Summit’s Statement.

A New Versailles Treaty is haunting Europe – I used that expression back in the Spring of 2010 to describe the first Greek ‘bailout’ that was being prepared at that time. If that allegory was pertinent then it is, sadly, all too germane now.

Never before has the European Union made a decision that undermines so fundamentally the project of European Integration. Europe’s leaders, in treating Alexis Tsipras and our government the way they did, dealt a decisive blow against the European project.

The project of European integration has, indeed, been fatally wounded over the past few days. And as Paul Krugman rightly says, whatever you think of Syriza, or Greece, it wasn’t the Greeks or Syriza who killed off the dream of a democratic, united Europe.

Back in 1971 Nick Kaldor, the noted Cambridge economist, had warned that forging monetary union before a political union was possible would lead not only to a failed monetary union but also to the deconstruction of the European political project.

Later on, in 1999, German-British sociologist Ralf Dahrendorf also warned that economic and monetary union would split rather than unite Europe. All these years I hoped that they were wrong. Now, the powers that be in Brussels, in Berlin and in Frankfurt have conspired to prove them right.

The Euro Summit statement of yesterday morning reads like a document committing to paper Greece’s Terms of Surrender. It is meant as a statement confirming that Greece acquiesces to becoming a vassal of the Eurogroup.

The Euro Summit statement of yesterday morning has nothing to do with economics, nor with any concern for the type of reform agenda capable of lifting Greece out of its mire. It is purely and simply a manifestation of the politics of humiliation in action. Even if one loathes our government one must see that the Eurogroup’s list of demands represents a major departure from decency and reason.

The Euro Summit statement of yesterday morning signalled a complete annulment of national sovereignty, without putting in its place a supra-national, pan-European, sovereign body politic. Europeans, even those who give not a damn for Greece, ought to beware.

Much energy is expended by the media on whether the Terms of Surrender will pass through Greek Parliament, and in particular on whether MPs like myself will toe the line and vote in favour of the relevant legislation.

I do not think this is the most interesting of questions. The crucial question is: Does the Greek economy stand any chance of recovery under these terms? This is the question that will preoccupy me during the Parliamentary sessions that follow in the next hours and days. The greatest worry is that even a complete surrender on our part would lead to a deepening of the never-ending crisis.

The recent Euro Summit is indeed nothing short of the culmination of a coup. In 1967 it was the tanks that foreign powers used to end Greek democracy. In my interview with Philip Adams, on ABC Radio National’s LNL, I claimed that in 2015 another coup was staged by foreign powers using, instead of tanks, Greece’s banks. Perhaps the main economic difference is that, whereas in 1967 Greece’s public property was not targeted, in 2015 the powers behind the coup demanded the handing over of all remaining public assets, so that they would be put into the servicing of our un-payble, unsustainable debt.

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« Responder #8527 em: 2015-07-14 20:08:40 »
varoufakis-o-arqui-toinas volta a carga

os alemaes nao se importam nada de perdoar a divida a grecia, so nao pode eh ser dentro do euro
agora, se os gregos nao querem isso que culpam tem eles?

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« Responder #8528 em: 2015-07-14 20:09:47 »
Sumátio da entrevista do Varoufakis

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/exclusive-yanis-varoufakis-opens-about-his-five-month-battle-save-greece

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In April, he said vaguely that it was because “I try and talk economics in the Eurogroup” – the club of 19 finance ministers whose countries use the Euro – “which nobody does.” I asked him what happened when he did.
“It’s not that it didn’t go down well – there was point blank refusal to engage in economic arguments. Point blank. You put forward an argument that you’ve really worked on, to make sure it’s logically coherent, and you’re just faced with blank stares. It is as if you haven’t spoken. What you say is independent of what they say. You might as well have sung the Swedish national anthem – you’d have got the same reply.”


O Varoufakis abordou as negociações como um académico que pensou que análise racional entre pares podia fazer convergir tese e anti-tese na síntese. Mas do outro lado estavam pessoas cuja especialização económica era limitada e a quem irritava que alguém tentasse levar discussão para um campo onde não eram especialistas. Certamente tinham conselheiros que podiam debater de igual para igual com o Varoufakis, mas po-los a eles a negociar com o Varoufakis seria admitir que não percebiam nada do assunto.
Basicamente foi mais uma repetição de como o método socrático pode falhar. Por mais racionalidade que haja ninguem gosta que lhes mostrem as suas limitações e contradições. Pelo menos o Varoufakis teve mais sorte que ooutro ateniense e livrou-se da cicuta  ;D




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He said he spent the past month warning the Greek cabinet that the ECB would close Greece’s banks to force a deal. When they did, he was prepared to do three things: issue euro-denominated IOUs; apply a “haircut” to the bonds Greek issued to the ECB in 2012, reducing Greece’s debt; and seize control of the Bank of Greece from the ECB.

None of the moves would constitute a Grexit but they would have threatened it. Varoufakis was confident that Greece could not be expelled by the Eurogroup; there is no legal provision for such a move. But only by making Grexit possible could Greece win a better deal. And Varoufakis thought the referendum offered Syriza the mandate they needed to strike with such bold moves – or at least to announce them.

He hinted at this plan on the eve of the referendum, and reports later suggested this was what cost him his job. He offered a clearer explanation.

As the crowds were celebrating on Sunday night in Syntagma Square, Syriza’s six-strong inner cabinet held a critical vote. By four votes to two, Varoufakis failed to win support for his plan, and couldn’t convince Tsipras. He had wanted to enact his “triptych” of measures earlier in the week, when the ECB first forced Greek banks to shut. Sunday night was his final attempt. When he lost his departure was inevitable.


Parece que só começaram a pensar num plano B mesmo no fim, quando teriam precisado de ter trabalhado nele (secretamente) durante todos os 6 meses para ter uma alternativa perfeitamente organizada quando vissem que não havia grandes expectativas com a UE.
Aqui realmente demonstraram não estar ao nível dos alemães. Estivessem os alemães na mesma posição e teriam um plano B a funcionar sem causar caos no dia seguinte ao abandono de negociações.


precisely.
e o varoufakis estava determinado a ir muito mais longe que o tsipras.
mas sempre dentro do euro.
não consigo compreender.

L



Foi pena não ter havido esse experimento-confronto pensado pelo Varoufakis!
Seria interessante, presenciarmos ao vivo, tal teatro de política comunitária.

Eu, por mim, sinto preferível a Grécia reorganizar-se social
e economicamente dentro do euro do que gerindo
emissão monetária própria, onde o risco
de caos demagógico é enorme.

Mas se a Grexit tivesse esboçado o conflito
de criar moeda de pagamento sem
abandonar a circulação
do euro,

seria interessante, erguer a sombra
de nada pagar aos eurocredores

e guardar os euros só para
compras cash; atraindo
mais moeda boa,
a bons negócios;
trocando-a só
moeda má!

:)

Gostaria de ter visto,
- a Europa a subjugar-se
ao haircut de facto -;
sem nunca deixar o euro!


Mas, reitero, só entendo
o terceiro resgate - e os items
de austeridade parecem-me todos pertinentes -,
se acompanhados de um perdão de dívida efectivo,
mesmo que não anunciado já - possivelmente prometido, (imagino).

Como é nítido, ter preferido manter-se no euro,
corresponde ao que o governo prometeu
e ao que a população preferia,
ainda que só por recear
a saída. Isso, Tsipras
percebeu, correcto.

A economia está em ponto de viragem.
Se realmente não houver nenhum golpe de estado
há uma hipótese de tudo melhorar daqui pra frente.
Mas a direita vai querer apoderar-se dos louros;
e tem alguma razão para isso. Prevejo
alianças novas do syriza!

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« Responder #8529 em: 2015-07-14 20:13:35 »
agora vem ai eleicoes e grexit  :D
Não sei, não...
Aliás, tenho algumas divergências aos 60 minutos no SPY e QQQ, mas não no ES... a acompanhar e tomar lucros com stops.

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« Responder #8530 em: 2015-07-14 20:39:17 »
lark,

Subestimaste o alure do euro.

O varoufakis gosta das suas maisons viagens e roupas...a raquel varela também gosta de usar os seus euros em roupas caras...e a malta do BE também conheço os seus gostos...o euro trás poder de compra...abre as portas do mundo, do internacional. Falamos de pessoas com bons ordenados, sem qualquer estofo para levar com sacrifícios em cima. Tu sabes que são uns betinhos.
Os do PCP são honestos e verdadeiros nas suas intenções. Não se importam de dar o corpo às balas...são de outra fibra.

Os comunistas não se importavam de levar no lombo com uma desvalorização cambial.
Os BE e amigos...querem uma solução fofinha...
"Como seria viver a vida que realmente quero?"

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« Responder #8531 em: 2015-07-14 20:44:56 »
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Os BE e amigos...querem uma solução fofinha...


Possivelmente.

Mas sem a burgessisse bourgoise e pirosa
da pequena, saloia, e mentecapta burguesia
do povoléu dos partidos da direita e 'do arco'!

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« Responder #8532 em: 2015-07-14 20:45:08 »
lark,

Subestimaste o alure do euro.

O varoufakis gosta das suas maisons viagens e roupas...a raquel varela também gosta de usar os seus euros em roupas caras...e a malta do BE também conheço os seus gostos...o euro trás poder de compra...abre as portas do mundo, do internacional. Falamos de pessoas com bons ordenados, sem qualquer estofo para levar com sacrifícios em cima. Tu sabes que são uns betinhos.
Os do PCP são honestos e verdadeiros nas suas intenções. Não se importam de dar o corpo às balas...são de outra fibra.

Os comunistas não se importavam de levar no lombo com uma desvalorização cambial.
Os BE e amigos...querem uma solução fofinha...

o varoufakis não queria...
mas também não queria sair do euro.
sem saída do euro, não haveria desvalorização.
a pretensão do syrisa não era consistente. deram luta e puseram os eurocratas em sentido.
mas não estiveram dispostos a ir até às últimas consequências.
pode ser que tenham de ir, de um modo ou de outro como se pode ver pelo próximo briefing da reuters que vou postar.

L
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« Responder #8533 em: 2015-07-14 20:46:12 »
Exclusive - Greece needs debt relief far beyond EU plans: secret IMF report

Greece will need far bigger debt relief than euro zone partners have been prepared to envisage so far due to the devastation of its economy and banks in the last two weeks, a confidential study by the International Monetary Fund seen by Reuters shows.

The updated debt sustainability analysis (DSA) was sent to euro zone governments late on Monday, hours after Athens and its 18 partners agreed in principle to open negotiations on a third bailout programme of up to 86 billion euros in return for tougher austerity measures and structural reforms.

"The dramatic deterioration in debt sustainability points to the need for debt relief on a scale that would need to go well beyond what has been under consideration to date - and what has been proposed by the ESM," the IMF said, referring to the European Stability Mechanism bailout fund.

European countries would have to give Greece a 30-year grace period on servicing all its European debt, including new loans, and a very dramatic maturity extension, or else make explicit annual fiscal transfers to the Greek budget or accept "deep upfront haircuts" on their loans to Athens, the report said.

It was leaked as German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble disclosed that some members of the Berlin government thought Greece would have been better off taking "time-out" from the euro zone rather than receiving another giant bailout.

IMF managing-director Christine Lagarde attended weekend talks among euro zone finance ministers and government leaders that agreed on a roadmap for a new bailout. An EU source said the new debt sustainability figures were given to euro zone finance ministers on Saturday and were known by the leaders before they concluded Monday's deal with Athens.

The IMF study said the closure of Greek banks and imposition of capital controls on June 29 was "extracting a heavy toll on the banking system and the economy, leading to a further significant deterioration in debt sustainability relative to what was projected in our recently published DSA".

European members of the IMF's executive board tried in vain to stop the publication of that earlier study on July 2 just three days before a Greek referendum that rejected earlier bailout terms, sources familiar with the discussions told Reuters.

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and his former finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, seized on the IMF study as vindicating their argument that the proposed bailout was unsustainable and that Greece was right to demand debt relief.

The latest IMF study said Greek debt would now peak at close to 200 percent of economic output in the next two years, compared to a previously forecast high of 177 percent.

Even by 2022, the debt would stand at 170 percent of gross domestic product, compared to an estimate of 142 percent issued just two weeks ago.

Gross financing needs would rise to above the 15 percent of GDP threshold deemed safe and continue rising in the long term, the updated IMF study said.

Moreover, the latest projections "remain subject to considerable downside risk", meaning that euro zone countries might have to provide even more exceptional financing.

In the laconic technocratic language of IMF officialdom, the report noted that few countries had ever managed to sustain for several decades the primary budget surplus of 3.5 percent of GDP expected of Greece. As soon as Athens had swung into a small surplus before debt service last year, the government had failed to resist political pressure to ease the target, it noted.

The IMF study also appeared to challenge the assumption by some European officials that Greece will be able to meet some of its financing needs from the markets in 2018.

"Borrowing at anything but AAA rates in the near term will bring about an unsustainable debt dynamic for the next several decades," it said.

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« Responder #8534 em: 2015-07-14 20:52:41 »
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Os BE e amigos...querem uma solução fofinha...


Possivelmente.

Mas sem a burgessisse bourgoise e pirosa
da pequena, saloia, e mentecapta burguesia
do povoléu dos partidos da direita e 'do arco'!

Isso deve corresponder á realidade, deve.

Chamar nomes a todos excepto aos mais retardados com a ideologia mais inhumana do planeta ... grande vbm.
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« Responder #8535 em: 2015-07-14 21:32:13 »


tanto trabalho jogado para o lixo... triste povo que confiou em ignorantes de esquerda, krugmans e demais atrasados.

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« Responder #8536 em: 2015-07-14 21:40:00 »
Paul Krugman - New York Times Blog

The Pause of 2014

Part of the background to the sack of Athens is the widespread belief among Europe’s austerians that, despite everything that has happened, they are in the process of being vindicated. After all, growth has resumed in the GIIPS countries – in fact, even Greece was growing until Syriza came to power and scared away the confidence fairy.

Now, many of us took on similar claims in the UK – and quickly noted that a large part of the story behind the resumption of British growth in 2013-2014 was actually a pause in fiscal consolidation. Confusion between levels and rates of change is endemic here — actually, it’s just amazing how much discussion of macroeconomics since the crisis is nonsense because people who imagine themselves sophisticated are muddled about the difference between levels and changes. But the models are completely clear: the rate of growth of GDP should depend on the change in the structural budget balance. So you would expect GDP growth to pick up, other things equal, if there is a slowdown in the pace of tightening even if austerity isn’t actually reversed.

So how does the story of the GIIPS fit into this analysis? Exhibit 1 shows the overall stance of fiscal policy in the GIIPS, using the IMF’s estimate of the structural budget balance as a share of potential GDP — an imperfect measure, but good enough, I think, to make the point. To get a single number I weight countries by their 2009 PPP GDP, also from the IMF. The story is clear: rapid, drastic tightening from 2009 to 2013, but a standstill in 2014. A revival of growth in 2014 is therefore no surprise — and it actually supports the Keynesian story, rather than refuting it.



Exhibit 2 shows things a bit differently, with more detail. Each point in the scatterplot represents an individual GIIPS country in a given year, with the horizontal axis showing the change in the structural balance — effectively, the additional austerity imposed in that year — and the vertical axis representing the rate of growth. As usual, we see a clear negative association, consistent with a Keynesian story.



In addition to the usual scatter, however, I have marked the observations for 2014 in red. As you can see, 2014 was a year of modest growth for all of the countries; it was also a year in which fiscal consolidation was effectively put on hold. And the outcomes were well within a range consistent with the previous austerity-growth relationship.

So is there anything at all here suggesting that it’s OK to impose further fiscal tightening on Greece, that this won’t deepen its depression? For that matter, does Greece even stand out as having done worse than you would expect given the incredibly harsh fiscal adjustment? No and no.

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« Responder #8537 em: 2015-07-14 21:55:14 »
No país que tanto se orgulha da democracia:
- Votaram no Syriza que prometeu acabar com a austeridade
- Votaram NÃO ao acordo

Resultado final: levaram com um acordo atolado de austeridade

Ao pé disto as mentiras do PPC e do Socas para chegarem a PM foram brincadeiras de putos.

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« Responder #8538 em: 2015-07-14 21:56:49 »
Germany’s Schäuble Voices Doubts on Tentative Greek Bailout Deal

Finance minister says many in German government believe a Greek exit from euro is better for Greece

Asked by journalists about a Grexit, the German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble said Tuesday “there are many people inside the German government…who believe that this would be, or could be the better solution for Greece and the people in Greece.” ENLARGE

BRUSSELS—Germany’s finance chief questioned a tentative bailout deal for Greece, saying that an exit from the currency union might be a better alternative for the country and its citizens.

Mr. Schäuble’s criticism of the deal now, a day after eurozone leaders agreed to new support for Greece, comes at an inopportune time for Chancellor Angela Merkel, who was central to hammering out the agreement and must now win support for the deal in Germany’s parliament.

Germany—and Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble in particular—have driven a hard line on Greece during months of rescue negotiations, even proposing over the weekend that it take a “timeout” from the currency union. But until now, the chancellor and her finance chief have publicly presented a united front.

His comments are likely to bolster critics of the new aid deal—which requires Greece to pass painful austerity measures and relinquish some fiscal controls in return for tens of billions of euros in loans—in Germany’s parliament. Lawmakers in Berlin are slated to vote on the deal, possibly later this week, once Greece’s parliament has passed the first round of measures, including pension cuts and sales-tax increases.

Asked about the idea of a Greek exit from the eurozone, Mr. Schäuble told journalists “there are many people inside the German government…who believe that this would be, or could be the better solution for Greece and the people in Greece.” He didn’t say whether he was one of them, although many European officials say the hawkish German finance chief has done little to hide his support for a currency union without Greece during crisis talks in recent weeks.

Mr. Schäuble said an exit from the eurozone would require “that Greece takes that decision itself.”

On Sunday, Mr. Schäuble insisted that a negotiated timeout for Greece from the currency union be included in a statement by eurozone finance ministers that served as the basis for discussions at an emergency summit of eurozone leaders Sunday. That section of the statement was later removed by the bloc’s leaders.

But Mr. Schäuble and Ms. Merkel pushed through a demand for Greece to set up a €50 billion privatization fund that would be supervised by European institutions. That requirement was seen as punitive and humiliating by many, including some eurozone policy makers, and would go beyond what was asked of other eurozone countries that received bailouts.

Despite the stringent requirements of the new deal for Greece, some lawmakers from Ms. Merkel’s center-right bloc, the Christian Democrats and their Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union, have already voiced opposition to a new bailout—Greece’s third in five years.

The Bundestag is almost certain to authorize negotiations for a new aid program later this week, thanks to the support of the government’s center-left coalition partner—the Social Democrats—and opposition parties. But large-scale defections from Ms. Merkel’s own faction would undermine the chancellor’s standing, both within her own party and with voters.

Many Germans now see Mr. Schäuble as the staunchest defender of his taxpayers’ money. This summer he jumped in front of the popular chancellor in public approval ratings.

His comments may also complicate Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’s efforts to foster support for a deal that contradicts his antiausterity platform and is much tougher than what voters rejected in a referendum a little over a week ago.

On Tuesday, Mr. Tsipras was trying to rally members of his ruling coalition, which along with his left-wing Syriza party includes the right-wing nationalist Independent Greeks. Opposition parties in Greece support the agreement, which would allow Greece to stay in the euro, but failure to maintain his own majority for new legislation could trigger fresh elections.

The International Monetary Fund, Greece’s biggest creditor outside the eurozone, has also voiced some doubts over Monday’s agreement.

Under the tentative bailout deal, eurozone leaders say they would consider giving Greece more time to repay and reducing interest rates on rescue loans if Greece delivered on promised economic overhauls and budget cuts. But the IMF says that even extending debt maturities deep into the second half of the century might not be enough to put Greece’s debt on a sustainable path.

The fund has said that Greece’s debt could only be made sustainable if the eurozone committed to debt-reduction measures that surpassed anything authorities have been willing to consider so far, including a possible write-down on the value of the country’s debt.

The IMF’s dour debt assessment could bolster Mr. Schäuble’s argument that a Greek exit from the eurozone might be a better alternative than the bailout.

Eurozone leaders made their own rescue loans conditional on continued support from the IMF. The fund’s loans, along with some access to debt markets and increased proceeds from privatizations, could reduce the currency union’s contribution to Greece’s €86 billion financing needs for the next three years. A European official said Tuesday that the eurozone portion of the overall bailout could be between €40 billion and €50 billion.

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #8539 em: 2015-07-14 22:00:53 »
"Alexis Tsipras diz que não acredita no acordo que assinou"

o homem foi drogado, chantageado e forcado a concordar, eh um caso de policia   :D