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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #7420 em: 2015-07-06 22:11:05 »
E o problema com os bens importados é previsível -- praticamente nenhum fornecedor exterior à Grécia vai querer conceder crédito comercial pois arrisca-se a que o mesmo se transforme em dracmas. Ou seja, as vendas são a cash, e o cash, bem, sem ELA não há cash.
Deve ser baixa a % de produtos, mesmo os produzidos localmente, que não incorporam matéria prima ou produtos intermédios importados. A coisa deve começar a ficar feia rapidamente.

Eu para já até fiquei bastante agradado com o BCE. Pensei que iam apenas manter a ELA mas foram mais longe do que imaginava.

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« Responder #7421 em: 2015-07-06 22:15:24 »
Estão a ser tratados como ciganos. Ao que eles chegaram. Espero que seja um 'desperta consciências' para os portugueses.

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« Responder #7422 em: 2015-07-06 22:23:01 »
Estão a ser tratados como ciganos. Ao que eles chegaram. Espero que seja um 'desperta consciências' para os portugueses.

estão a ser tratados como caloteiros nem mais nem menos

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« Responder #7423 em: 2015-07-06 22:23:53 »
Estão a ser tratados como ciganos. Ao que eles chegaram. Espero que seja um 'desperta consciências' para os portugueses.

estão a ser tratados como caloteiros nem mais nem menos

No fundo é o que acontece a quem dá o calote, pelo menos durante algum tempo.

Ora, este é para ser o segundo calote em 3 anos, daí ...
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"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein

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« Responder #7424 em: 2015-07-06 22:26:13 »
E enquanto continuamos sempre a debate a porcaria da Grécia, existe um pais em que as pessoas morrem todos os dias (Ucrânia) porque queriam vir para a UE, e depois vem falar em ajuda humanitária para a Grécia, a Ucrânia e que está em guerra tem montes de pessoas deslocadas dentro do pais mortos, feridos, a Crimeia ocupada, já que o Tsipras gosta tanto do Putin que vá lá pedir dinheiro.


Isto.

Fica um artigo longo, mas que vale a pena ler com calma: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war#ukraine
Não tem nada a ver com a Grécia, mas não encontrei um tópico específico para o tema.

Actualmente quando ouço falar em "solidariedade" ou "crise humanitária" na Grécia, e mesmo não querendo menosprezar o sofrimento destes, penso sempre na Ucrânia, que me parece estar em situação bastante pior. E os seus problemas são maioritariamente causados por factores externos (históricos/geográficos).


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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #7425 em: 2015-07-06 22:54:41 »
com a grecia a pagar menos q portugal e espanha parece-me impossivel qq haircut

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« Responder #7426 em: 2015-07-06 22:56:35 »

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« Responder #7427 em: 2015-07-06 22:59:11 »
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vit%C3%B3ria_p%C3%ADrrica

para aumentar a cultura do lark  :D

como já é costumeiro estás a atirar foguetes antes da festa (e os suspeitos do costume também).

L
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« Responder #7428 em: 2015-07-06 23:01:48 »
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vit%C3%B3ria_p%C3%ADrrica

para aumentar a cultura do lark  :D

como já é costumeiro estás a atirar foguetes antes da festa (e os suspeitos do costume também).

L

mas eu quero que a grecia saia, estamos do mesmo lado  :D

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« Responder #7429 em: 2015-07-06 23:03:42 »
Queremos todos menos o inc

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« Responder #7430 em: 2015-07-06 23:04:18 »
Minister No More!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

The referendum of 5th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage.

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece,
and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats
the world over, is just beginning.

yanis varoufakis


Enquanto uns discutem roupas, capacetes e motas,
outros proclamam como gostam de estar acompanhados
e como preferem vestir-se:

«And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.»
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« Responder #7431 em: 2015-07-06 23:12:00 »
Minister No More!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

The referendum of 5th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage.

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece,
and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats
the world over, is just beginning.

yanis varoufakis


Enquanto uns discutem roupas, capacetes e motas,
outros proclamam como gostam de estar acompanhados
e como preferem vestir-se:

«And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.»

 ;D

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« Responder #7432 em: 2015-07-06 23:13:13 »
How Greece leaving the euro would actually work
Updated by Matthew Yglesias on July 6, 2015, 3:00 p.m. ET @mattyglesias matt@vox.com


Greece has two big problems right now. One is that the Greek state is running out of euros, which it needs to pay its employees and social assistance recipients. The other is that the Greek people think Greece's banks will fail and have been pulling their euros out of the Greek banking system. The two problems lock together in a kind of deadly circle: With banks unable to operate normally, the economic activity is strangled, and with economic activity strangled, tax collections are plummeting — leaving the Greek state's coffers even emptier than before.

The most likely solutions involve either the introduction of a parallel currency, Greece leaving the eurozone, or Greece somehow managing to finagle some more money out of its European partners.

Here's what those three options would look like.

1) Parallel currency/IOUs/Scrip

One option would be to borrow an idea from California, which in 2009 ran out of dollars and instead paid many state bills with IOUs. Instead of actual money, various county agencies, small businesses, and tax refund recipients were given legal tokens through which California acknowledged that it was legally obligated to pay.

Of course, you can't take an IOU to the store and buy bread. But maybe you could take €100 worth of IOUs to a guy who wasn't urgently in need of bread and trade them for €98. In this sense, Greek IOUs could begin to circulate as a kind of "parallel" currency even while the euro remained the country's currency of record. Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis seemed to be suggesting something along these lines over the weekend, and got himself fired for talking out of turn.

This was a great solution for California, because the reason California was running out of money was political gridlock between then–Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Democratic-controlled state legislature. Nobody was actually talking about not paying what was owed; they were just disagreeing about how. Once the deadlock was resolved, dollars became available, and the IOUs were redeemed.

The problem for Greece is that people will worry that Greek government IOUs will either not be paid at all, paid at a discount to their face value, or paid in new drachma (or some other hypothetical currency) rather than in euros. Consequently, people are unlikely to give you €98 for a €100 IOU. Maybe you could get €70? Maybe only €40? Nobody really knows.

2) New drachma

Unlike California, Greece is a sovereign state. If it has bills it needs to pay, it could do what the vast majority of countries around the world do — print its own currency. In Greece's case we'll call the new currency the new drachma, after Greece's old currency.

Of course, it takes time to physically print money. But an electronic switchover can be done faster. It would look something like this:

Order banks to close for several days so they can reprogram their computers.

Pass a law redenominating every Greek financial asset, wage and price contract, social assistance benefit, and other commercial transaction subject to Greek law from euros into drachmas. Yesterday's 100 euros will be tomorrow's 100 new drachmas.

Begin collecting taxes in new drachmas, to ensure that the currency has some value to Greek people.

Let people keep using euro coins and bills for everyday transactions, recognizing that €100 euros will probably buy you way more than 100 new drachmas' worth of stuff.

Start the process of printing physical new drachmas to be introduced several months down the road.

As with the IOUs, it's an open question what value the market would place on a new drachma. But unlike with IOUs, a formal currency could be traded on international markets rather than informally in storefronts, so price discovery would happen relatively quickly.

3) Bailout

Last but by no means least, Greece is still trying to reach a deal with its creditors that would allow it to avoid either scenario — Greece would agree to a package of structural reforms and fiscal austerity measures, and in exchange would get a bunch of euros from European governments and robust support for its banks from the European Central Bank.

Given that exactly such a package was rejected by the Greek government last week and then rejected again by the Greek voters in a weekend referendum, the path to a deal looks very murky. Now, on top of all the other issues to be negotiated, there is a major lack of trust between the Greek government and other European countries. But as of yet, everyone's official position is that negotiations are still ongoing and they are searching for a way to keep Greece from needing to resort to these other options.

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« Responder #7433 em: 2015-07-06 23:14:10 »
Este tópico cresce a um ritmo alucinante !!

E o pessoal sempre a esfregar as mãos de contente, querendo ver sangue a jorrar!
Mais parece uma turba no circo romano.

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« Responder #7434 em: 2015-07-06 23:20:55 »
Este tópico cresce a um ritmo alucinante !!

E o pessoal sempre a esfregar as mãos de contente, querendo ver sangue a jorrar!
Mais parece uma turba no circo romano.

a malta quer ver se isto e classico calote troca moeda  ja feita no passado

ou alguma coisa nova.

para ja e um  chipre a dobrar.
Democracia Socialista Democrata. igualdade de quem berra mais O que é meu é meu o que é teu é nosso

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« Responder #7435 em: 2015-07-06 23:36:21 »
Este tópico cresce a um ritmo alucinante !!

E o pessoal sempre a esfregar as mãos de contente, querendo ver sangue a jorrar!
Mais parece uma turba no circo romano.

Circo é ver o Varoufakis a transportar de moto a sua marionete Kalotos(es)

Espero que façam outra festa com muita cerveja e concertos , quando assinarem um acordo manhoso.
hoje ja estiveram muito preocupados.... ;D

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« Responder #7436 em: 2015-07-06 23:36:36 »
Este tópico cresce a um ritmo alucinante !!

E o pessoal sempre a esfregar as mãos de contente, querendo ver sangue a jorrar!
Mais parece uma turba no circo romano.

os gregos têm que sofrer.
não se pode deixar criar ideias aos portugueses, espanhois e italianos.

mas a reacção é natural.
ontem com o não, ficaram muito caladinhos.
depois o estrangulamento do BCE aos bancos gregos começou a dar-lhes esperança.
quando os bancos gregos reabrirem vão ficar muito caladinhos outra vez.
as negociações vão recomeçar e quando os três estarolas - o alemão caquético, o holandês que precisa de um haircut e o luxemburguês que está sempre a precisar de um bejeca - começarem a falar duro com os gregos, vão começar a ficar de novo eufóricos - mata, esfola, caloteiros etc ad nauseam.
quando a 20 de Julho o pagamento ao ECB não for feito atingem o paroxismo.
quando em agosto, (depois de dia 3) a grécia declarar que não pode fazer face aos compromissos e o default for oficialmente declarado vai ser um delírio orgástico.
quando a grécia declarar que volta ao dracma, acontece um raro segundo delírio orgástico.
quando a grécia começar a recuperar, o turismo florescer, a economia prosperar.... voltam a falar de outra coisa.
se lhes perguntarem então a grécia? eles respondem grécia? qual grécia?
entretanto o podemos ganha as aleições em espanha.
recomeça a euforia
e é só fazer mais uma iteração...

não vai ser tudo mau: entre grécia espanha, portugal e itália vão ter uns quatro delírios orgásticos duplos.
há quem não tenha sequer um a vida toda.

L
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Franklin D. Roosevelt

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« Responder #7437 em: 2015-07-06 23:37:28 »
Este tópico cresce a um ritmo alucinante !!

E o pessoal sempre a esfregar as mãos de contente, querendo ver sangue a jorrar!
Mais parece uma turba no circo romano.

a malta quer ver se isto e clássico calote troca moeda  ja feita no passado

ou alguma coisa nova.



para ja e um  chipre a dobrar.

Na minha opinião não haverá qualquer saída da Grécia do euro.
Isso é quase um dogma.
Em primeiro lugar porque, para quem ( malta do eurogrupo) parece um tabu falar no OSI ( pelo menos oficialmente para o eleitorado, porque nos bastidores a Alemanha já admitiu isso como incontornável), o default grego seria então um perdão de divida forçado e à bruta. Qualquer coisa como quase 300 mil M€...
Portanto seria pior a emenda que o soneto.

Por outro lado se UE continua num total autismo e intransigência a coisa complica-se bastante não só em tremos da sua credibilidade ao não conseguir resolver o problema duma economia do euro que apenas representa cerca de 2% do PIB total da união.
As pressões exteriores começarão, como EUA...
Enfim como diz a Lagarde, faltam adultos em todo este processo

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« Responder #7438 em: 2015-07-06 23:49:20 »
Este tópico cresce a um ritmo alucinante !!

E o pessoal sempre a esfregar as mãos de contente, querendo ver sangue a jorrar!
Mais parece uma turba no circo romano.

os gregos têm que sofrer.
não se pode deixar criar ideias aos portugueses, espanhois e italianos.

mas a reacção é natural.
ontem com o não, ficaram muito caladinhos.
depois o estrangulamento do BCE aos bancos gregos começou a dar-lhes esperança.
quando os bancos gregos reabrirem vão ficar muito caladinhos outra vez.
as negociações vão recomeçar e quando os três estarolas - o alemão caquético, o holandês que precisa de um haircut e o luxemburguês que está sempre a precisar de um bejeca - começarem a falar duro com os gregos, vão começar a ficar de novo eufóricos - mata, esfola, caloteiros etc ad nauseam.
quando a 20 de Julho o pagamento ao ECB não for feito atingem o paroxismo.
quando em agosto, (depois de dia 3) a grécia declarar que não pode fazer face aos compromissos e o default for oficialmente declarado vai ser um delírio orgástico.
quando a grécia declarar que volta ao dracma, acontece um raro segundo delírio orgástico.
quando a grécia começar a recuperar, o turismo florescer, a economia prosperar.... voltam a falar de outra coisa.
se lhes perguntarem então a grécia? eles respondem grécia? qual grécia?
entretanto o podemos ganha as aleições em espanha.
recomeça a euforia
e é só fazer mais uma iteração...

não vai ser tudo mau: entre grécia espanha, portugal e itália vão ter uns quatro delírios orgásticos duplos.
há quem não tenha sequer um a vida toda.

L

Mas o mais grave é que  não é apenas por aqui no forum.
Os comentadeiros  de serviço  nos canais de TV, tem cada tirada!!!
Ao ouvi-los falar, cheios de certezas e convicções, mais parece que receberam algum prémio Nobel na area da economia, mas na prática não passam duns papagaios a repetir sempre a mesma cantilena.
Olham para a floresta mas parecem apenas conseguir ver a folha duma árvore 

Ainda aqui há dias vi um eurodeputado do PSD a afirmar furiosamente que a subida da divida português foi devido aos 70mil M€ pedidos no resgate.
E dizia o idiota quase espumando-se pela boca  :
 " Então se tivemos que pedir todo aquele dinheiro no resgate a divida tinha que subir. Óbvio!"

 Só apetecia dar lhe um estalo

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« Responder #7439 em: 2015-07-07 00:12:04 »
Germany refuses to let Greece off hook

Osborne urges Merkel to back down and open talks with Athens as the eurozone crisis threatens to spiral out of control

The crisis in the eurozone was last night set to escalate after the Germans said they could not write off Greek debts without offering financial assistance to Ireland, Spain and Portugal.
George Osborne, the Chancellor, yesterday urged Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, to consider backing down to ensure there was not a “disorderly exit” from the eurozone.
He said “the situation risks going from bad to worse” and warned that “Britain will be affected the longer the Greek crisis lasts and the worse it gets”.

He suggested Britain could fly planeloads of euro notes to Greece to assist stranded tourists.

The Chancellor urged the Greek government and its European creditors “to be open to new offers and to be ready to sit round the table”.

However, in the wake of Greece’s decisive “no” vote in Sunday’s referendum on creditor proposals, the Germans believe that a new debt relief deal is impossible as other countries across the EU will then demand a bail-out.

Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s deputy chancellor, said the single currency would not be able to cope if it had to give financial assistance to other countries across the EU if they found themselves in similar economic turmoil to Greece.

German vice-chancellor Sigmar Gabriel has taken a hard line with Athens
Mr Gabriel said plans for humanitarian aid for Greece must now be drawn up amid fears the country could run out of fuel and food.

Mrs Merkel clashed yesterday with François Hollande, the French president, who wants Greece to be offered a generous deal.

Greek banks were pushed closer to the brink of collapse last night after the European Central Bank (ECB), the lender of last resort, demanded they put up more collateral in exchange for emergency loans. Paper is already running out in Greece and books may stop being published.

William Hague, the former foreign secretary, said that the Greek crisis was only the “beginning” and warned that the struggling economies of Italy and Spain could end up causing problems “for which Greece has only been a minor rehearsal”.

The leaders of all of Greece’s political parties last night backed far-Left leader Alexis Tsipras as he prepared to travel to Brussels to present a new proposal to the country’s creditors.

However, European leaders are expected to reject calls to provide Greece with “emergency liquidity assistance”.
In other developments yesterday:
• Yanis Varoufakis, the controversial Greek finance minister, quit in the hope of appeasing the country’s creditors.
• A split between France and Germany deepened as a senior ally to Mr Hollande accused Mrs Merkel of failure.
• British tourists travelling to Greece were told to take enough medicine to cover their stay amid fears of shortages.
• Valdis Dombrovskis, the European Commissioner for euro affairs, said the organisation will ignore a referendum demand made by Greece for debt relief because the vote was “not legally correct”.
• Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, yesterday spoke to Mr Tsipras. Raoul Castro, the Cuban leader, congratulated Greece on the result of the referendum.
• At least three companies in Greece, including its biggest electronic appliances chain, have paid staff in cash after the country imposed limits on withdrawals from banks last week.

"It’s about urgency for Greece, urgency for Europe," Mr Hollande said

Mr Osborne yesterday said that the chances of a positive resolution to Greece’s debt crisis are “sadly diminishing” after Greek voters’ rejection of recent creditor proposals and that the country’s economic situation will deteriorate quickly without a new push for stability.

Warning that “there is no easy way out”, he said there is a chance it could “spill over” into the UK and stall the economic recovery.

“The worst for the UK and indeed for the whole of Europe is that we have a completely disorderly situation over the next few weeks,” he said.
“That has an impact on Europe’s financial system and because Britain is one of the most open economies in the world we are impacted by that.
“We saw the impact of the problems in the Eurozone in 2012 and how they spilt over into the UK. That’s why we are urging all sides to try and resolve the situation.”
• Why Greece is going to have to start printing its own money
• Greek turmoil set to shake global markets out of complacency as sell-off looms
• Europe thrown into crisis as Greece nears euro exit after shock referendum result

The gulf between Germany, which is determined to stick to the rules of the bloc, and France, Greece’s last ally in the Eurozone in calling for a generous deal, widened last night.

At a joint press conference ahead of dinner at the Élysée Palace, Mr Hollande called for “solidarity” with the Greeks. “Europe is not just an economic, financial and monetary construction, Europe is a whole set of principles and values. A conception of the world,” he said

“In this Europe there is room for solidarity. Solidarity is everywhere to be seen in Europe and must be seen even more.”

But Mrs Merkel said the “preconditions” for a fresh bail-out “are not yet there”.

“We have already shown a great deal of solidarity to Greece,” she said. “The proposal we put to them was already extremely generous. We have to remain consistent.” She said that listening to the 18 other eurozone states “is also democracy”.

Benoît Hamon, the former French education minister, said: “Merkel has lost. Germany has lost. It is an opportunity for François Hollande to resume leadership.”

Euclid Tsakalotos is the new man at Greece's finance ministry

Today, eurozone leaders will meet in Brussels to discuss if any prospect of a deal can be salvaged from the fallout of the Greek vote.

They are likely to be asked by the ECB whether they would guarantee Greek bonds being used as collateral on emergency aid. Refusal will give the nod for the lifeline to be cut, precipitating a devastating banking collapse.

Greece is currently being kept afloat with €89 billion of ECB emergency funding.
• European Central Bank tightens noose on banking system as creditor powers punish Greece
• Greece has done itself a favour - it'll soon be out of the euro
• Defiant Greeks reject EU demands as Syriza readies IOU currency

There was concern last night after Mr Varoufakis was replaced as the Greek finance minister by Euclid Tsakalotos, an Oxford-educated economist who is regarded as just as hardline.

In a blow to Greek hopes, the European Commission dismissed the No vote as nothing more than a “signal” because the poll was “neither legally nor factually correct”.
Mr Dombrovskis, the Latvian official responsible for the single currency, said any prospect of writing down Greece’s €380 billion debt mountain – a key Syriza demand – was now “off the table”. The vote “dramatically weakens the negotiating stance of the Greek government”, he said.

telegraph

Os brits estão a ficar incomodados.

send planes loaded with euros to greece?
já tínhamos o helicopter money.
vamos ter o jumbo jet money.
yay.
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