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« Responder #5760 em: 2015-06-28 23:08:02 »
Não, Lark. Só podias estar a falar comigo, porque só eu é que mencionei os entrevistados e porque a tua resposta foi à minha e incluiu-a em citação. E eu não disse que eram parciais, tendo a tua resposta começado com esta falsidade:

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"ah ok, os entrevistados é que são parciais."

Outra coisa, a minha resposta começava com:

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Bem, o artigo se é parcial ou não, não sei.

Eu não me atravessei nessa conversa, quis sim comentar OUTRA coisa do artigo que era evidente.

não inc. o que eu queria dizer era "ah ok, os entrevistados é que são parciais." na opinião do tommy.
pois se estava a comentar o post do tommy.

reformulando: o tommy afirmou que o publico era parcial.
eu perguntei ao tommy onde estava a parcialidade que não a via.
o tommy não respondeu.
respondeste tu

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Bem, o artigo se é parcial ou não, não sei.

Mas o irrealismo de algumas daquelas pessoas é fantástico. Desde o repetir do mantra de que o não obriga os credores a serem mais amigos, até ao aquilo (a falta de dinheiro) ser feito para intimidar. Basta traduzirmos o que significa: "O BCE não nos dar permanentemente mais dinheiro é feito para nos intimidar".

Só há ali uma esperança, é que quem vote não ao acordo tenham sido os que não foram levantar o dinheiro. Só assim existe uma módica hipótese de justiça

se está a dar uma resposta a uma pergunta que eu fiz ao tommy depreende-se  que está a responder em lugar do tommy e partilhas a opinião do tommy.
logo o que eu escrevi é legítimo.

'ah ok, então tu e o tommy consideram que os entrvistados é que são parciais' queria eu dizer. porque ao responderes à questão endereçada ao tommy, ficou implícito que comungavas da opinião dele.

se deixasses o tommy responder, estas coisas não se passavam
e tem vindo a ser comum. eu a questionar outra pessoa e tu a responderes por ela.

L

Essa explicação não faz sentido, eu em segundo algum falei que os entrevistados eram parciais.

E até disse explicitamente que não fazia idea se o artigo era parcial ou não.

Na melhor das hipóteses respondeste a algo que imaginaste e que não tinha sustentação nenhuma naquilo que eu disse (como se pode verificar).
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5761 em: 2015-06-28 23:10:12 »
Paul Krugman - New York Times Blog
 JUN 28 5:37 PM Jun 28 5:37 pm 1

Grisis

OK, this is real: Greek banks closed, capital controls imposed. Grexit isn’t a hard stretch from here — the much feared mother of all bank runs has already happened, which means that the cost-benefit analysis starting from here is much more favorable to euro exit than it ever was before.

Clearly, though, some decisions now have to wait on the referendum.

I would vote no, for two reasons. First, much as the prospect of euro exit frightens everyone — me included — the troika is now effectively demanding that the policy regime of the past five years be continued indefinitely. Where is the hope in that? Maybe, just maybe, the willingness to leave will inspire a rethink, although probably not. But even so, devaluation couldn’t create that much more chaos than already exists, and would pave the way for eventual recovery, just as it has in many other times and places. Greece is not that different.

Second, the political implications of a yes vote would be deeply troubling. The troika clearly did a reverse Corleone — they made Tsipras an offer he can’t accept, and presumably did this knowingly. So the ultimatum was, in effect, a move to replace the Greek government. And even if you don’t like Syriza, that has to be disturbing for anyone who believes in European ideals.


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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5762 em: 2015-06-28 23:10:17 »
Desta vez é o público a ser parcial.

onde é que foi parcial? não descobri...
podes apontar a frase ou parágrafo que demonstram a parcialidade?

L

Bem, o artigo se é parcial ou não, não sei.

Mas o irrealismo de algumas daquelas pessoas é fantástico. Desde o repetir do mantra de que o não obriga os credores a serem mais amigos, até ao aquilo (a falta de dinheiro) ser feito para intimidar. Basta traduzirmos o que significa: "O BCE não nos dar permanentemente mais dinheiro é feito para nos intimidar".

Só há ali uma esperança, é que quem vote não ao acordo tenham sido os que não foram levantar o dinheiro. Só assim existe uma módica hipótese de justiça.

Ou então,

Somos uma cambada de drogados e o nosso fornecedor (BCE) que deixar de nos fornecer, porque não pagamos a droga que nos forneceu  ???

O BCE é mau. porque quer que nós deixemos a droga  :D
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5763 em: 2015-06-28 23:11:27 »
Eia que grande confusão...vá deixem o adulto entrar e explicar o 'parcial' que o automek percebeu porque não anda a dormir:

Hoje de manha - ou já foi ontem? - o utilizador 'visitante' colocou um artigo do observador.pt sobre as filas nas caixas mb para acusá-los de mau jornalismo e de serem parciais, porque alegadamente havia uma caixa mesmo ao lado só com uma pessoa. O lark veio a correr insultar o observador, claramente enviesado por ser um jornal rigoroso e sério - ou seja de direita - e chamá-los de parciais.

Então posteriormente sempre que encontro uma foto com uma fila de pessoas à porta de um MB - e que são muitas acreditem - ironizo e digo que é um jornal parcial.

Fiz-me entender? - O automek percebeu desde sempre que estou a ironizar, por isso é que colocou aquela resposta logo de seguida.

Abraço. Paz.

Que para guerra já chega o que se passa na grecia provocado pelo syriza.
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« Responder #5764 em: 2015-06-28 23:14:34 »
Eia que grande confusão...vá deixem o adulto entrar e explicar o 'parcial' que o automek percebeu porque não anda a dormir:

Hoje de manha - ou já foi ontem? - o utilizador 'visitante' colocou um artigo do observador.pt sobre as filas nas caixas mb para acusá-los de mau jornalismo e de serem parciais. O lark veio a correr insultar o observador, claramente enviesado por ser um jornal rigoroso e sério - ou seja de direita - e chamá-los de parciais.

Então posteriormente sempre que encontro uma foto com uma fila de pessoas à porta de um MB - e que são muitas acreditem - ironizo e digo que é um jornal parcial.

Fiz-me entender? - O automek percebeu desde sempre que estou a ironizar, por isso é que colocou aquela resposta logo de seguida.

Abraço. Paz.

Que para guerra já chega o que se passa na grecia provocado pelo syriza.

pronto, assim já é entendível.
bem mais ou menos...
qualquer artigo de jornal que mostre gregos a levantarem dinheiro de atms é parcial (joke)
ok

L
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5765 em: 2015-06-28 23:15:24 »
Nós ainda podiamos tentar ir a Badajoz levantar dinheiro, a ver se o MB nos dava mais alguma coisa, mas os gregos, coitados, não devem ter grande sorte com a vizinhança (Albânia, Bulgária, Macedónia e Turquia).

Ainda assim podiam tentar. Iam dar um passeio, desanuviavam e sempre comparavam a crise humanitária de um lado e do outro da fronteira.

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« Responder #5766 em: 2015-06-28 23:16:50 »
Eia que grande confusão...vá deixem o adulto entrar e explicar o 'parcial' que o automek percebeu porque não anda a dormir:

Hoje de manha - ou já foi ontem? - o utilizador 'visitante' colocou um artigo do observador.pt sobre as filas nas caixas mb para acusá-los de mau jornalismo e de serem parciais. O lark veio a correr insultar o observador, claramente enviesado por ser um jornal rigoroso e sério - ou seja de direita - e chamá-los de parciais.

Então posteriormente sempre que encontro uma foto com uma fila de pessoas à porta de um MB - e que são muitas acreditem - ironizo e digo que é um jornal parcial.

Fiz-me entender? - O automek percebeu desde sempre que estou a ironizar, por isso é que colocou aquela resposta logo de seguida.

Abraço. Paz.

Que para guerra já chega o que se passa na grecia provocado pelo syriza.

pronto, assim já é entendível.
bem mais ou menos...
qualquer artigo de jornal que mostre gregos a levantarem dinheiro de atms é parcial (joke)
ok

L


a grecia ja tinha fuga capitais desde final 2014

so quem nao leu noticias nestes 6 meses para vir dizer nao ha problema nenhum

largem a ideologia, vejam sinais
« Última modificação: 2015-06-28 23:26:56 por Reg »
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5767 em: 2015-06-28 23:28:08 »
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Obama e Merkel com linha direta. Gregos podem levantar €60 por dia


O presidente da maior potência mundial e a chanceler da potência que lidera a zona euro decidiram que as suas equipas técnicas estarão em contacto estreito. A partir de terça-feira as caixas de “multibanco” na Grécia voltam a operar, mas gregos vão levantar 1/5 do que os cipriotas puderam em 2013.

texto integral: http://expresso.sapo.pt/economia/2015-06-28-Obama-e-Merkel-com-linha-direta.-Gregos-podem-levantar-60-por-dia



falta aí o draghi para esterm presentes todos os adultos.
o draghi é que vai safar os bancos gregos, de uma forma ou de outra.
tem que ter cobertura política da américa e da alemanha.
e como é evidente o schauble vai de vela, o goldilocks desaparece de cena e o luxemburguês desaparece dentro de uma caneca de cerveja.

L
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5768 em: 2015-06-28 23:32:25 »
O Juncker até sinto simpatia para ele. Deve ser um bom compincha para ir para os copos  ;D

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« Responder #5769 em: 2015-06-28 23:38:27 »
Se o schauble, djassolbem, etc. saem de cena coitados dos contribuintes europeus. Vão trabalhar e ser fortemente taxados para alimentar a boa vida dos gregos. Que cena horrível. Escravatura all over again.

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« Responder #5770 em: 2015-06-28 23:41:46 »
Se o schauble, djassolbem, etc. saem de cena coitados dos contribuintes europeus. Vão trabalhar e ser fortemente taxados para alimentar a boa vida dos gregos. Que cena horrível. Escravatura all over again.

A agenda governo grego  sair euro

o objetivo  povo grego  ter mais credito

agenda da UE e mais federaçao

povo europeu  mais metade contra federacao

o cozido da europa
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« Responder #5771 em: 2015-06-28 23:47:05 »
O Juncker até sinto simpatia para ele. Deve ser um bom compincha para ir para os copos  ;D

se tiveres arcaboiço para pegar nele e o meter na cama depois de ele se apagar...

L
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Franklin D. Roosevelt

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« Responder #5772 em: 2015-06-29 00:06:58 »
Fears of Greece Leaving Euro Are Fears of the Unknown

Greece could soon find itself in the middle of a daunting economic experiment.

Ever since Greece became part of the euro over a decade ago, the common European currency has been entrenched in the lives and activities of the country’s 11 million people. But as Greece’s debt crisis escalates, the chances increase that the euro may be replaced by a new, national currency.

Precedents for such a transformation may not exist. Economists say they cannot think of a time when a developed country with an open economy dropped out of a shared currency and set up its own new money.

“There is no modern parallel,” said Michael P. Dooley, professor of economics at University of California, Santa Cruz. “That’s one of the reasons why there is so much hesitation to do it; no one really knows what will happen.”

Much has to happen before Greece reaches the point of an exit from the euro, or “Grexit.” And there is no provision in European treaties for a nation to leave the monetary union.

Still, the probability that Greece will depart from the euro soared over the weekend, after the Greek government announced that it planned to hold a national referendum on the terms that Europe is offering the country in exchange for new aid.

Greece’s announcement came just days before the European part of Greece’s current bailout program expires on Tuesday. Europe’s leaders have refused Greece’s request that talks be extended beyond Tuesday so that the country could hold the referendum on July 5.

Complicating matters further, Greece on Tuesday faces a debt repayment of 1.6 billion euros, or $1.8 billion, to the International Monetary Fund, money the Greek government almost certainly does not have.

Polls show that the Greek people favor staying in the euro, and Greece’s leaders have said they do not want to leave the common currency. Indeed, fears of the consequences of leaving the euro could be a factor that persuades Greece’s leftist government to soften its stance and, at the last minute, forge a deal with its creditors.

If a deal does not happen soon, a series of events could significantly increase the likelihood of Greece tumbling out of the euro.

On Sunday, the Greek debt crisis entered a new and dangerous phase. In recent months, the European Central Bank has made emergency loans available to Greece’s ailing banks, increasing the size of the support as depositors have taken euros out of the banks. Despite signs of large withdrawals over the weekend, the E.C.B. did not announce that is was approving a further increase, but instead said that it was maintaining the loans at their current total, which is thought to be around €85 billion.

With the supply of euros into Greece now restricted, the country’s government acted on Sunday to stem the flow of the currency out of the banks and the country. These include the closing of banks and a cap on cash withdrawals. .

Cyprus imposed similar restrictions on the movement of money after its economic and banking crisis in 2013. And Cyprus managed to stay in the euro.

But Cyprus was much helped by fresh financial aid from the I.M.F. and Europe. Greece cannot expect such assistance if there is no new agreement with Europe — and if it has defaulted on the big debt repayments to the I.M.F. and the E.C.B. that come due in the remainder of this year.

“If this is divorce, and not a separation, then Greece must have a new currency,” said Arturo C. Porzecanski, a professor of international economics at American University.

In recent decades, many countries have adopted a new currency, including nations in Latin America. Countries like Greece sacrificed some of their sovereignty to become part of the euro. But in most cases, these countries were leaving behind a weak currency for one that turned out to be stronger. If Greece set up a new drachma, the name of its pre-euro currency, it is most unlikely that it would be stronger than the euro.

A new drachma might also have a hurried and chaotic birth.

When, in the postwar period, countries changed their currency, it usually took many months of careful planning. Of course, Greece may have been secretly preparing for a new drachma. But even if it has, its government has not had long to lay the groundwork.

“The first and most important thing to remember is that you don’t introduce a currency quickly,” said Stephen Kinsella, an economics lecturer at the University of Limerick in Ireland. “You just don’t.”

Huge logistical and technical challenges could also occur.

Global payments systems have to be reprogrammed to accept the new currency. And then the task of actually acquiring a new physical currency can take a few months, though Mr. Kinsella said economies have shown that they can operate for a while with a shortage of physical cash. That was the case in Ireland, he said, when bank tellers there went on lengthy strikes in the 1960s and 1970s.

One of the potential benefits for Greece of having its own currency is that it can keep printing it until monetary policy is loose enough to stimulate economic growth. A weaker drachma that falls in value against the euro and the dollar could also bolster Greece’s exports. And the government can pay its own bills — huge outlays like government worker wages and pensions — in the new currency.

The danger, however, is that the government prints so much of the new currency that it falls too far, creates inflation and soon lacks credibility with the Greek people.

“The moment people got it, they would want to spend it,” said Guillermo Calvo, an economics professor at Columbia. “Who knows where the exchange rate will go; it could overshoot like crazy.”

Greece regularly devalued its old drachma, taking it to over 300 per dollar before it was replaced by in 2002, from 30 to the dollar in the 1970s.

An exit from the euro could shake Greece in other significant ways. Banks might become overwhelmed with losses. This could force the government to take them over, said Raoul Ruparel, co-director of Open Europe, a think tank that focuses on European issues.

A barrage of litigation could also hit Greece if it were to leave the euro. Greek companies that borrowed in euros might find it hard to pay them back if they are mainly earning a new drachma. The companies’ creditors and suppliers might refuse to be paid in the new currency, and take the issue to courts in London and New York.

Making matters worse, fear of the new drachma could prompt foreign companies to step back from entering into new contracts with Greek companies.

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« Responder #5773 em: 2015-06-29 03:56:15 »
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Alexis Tispras já começou a dirigir-se ao país, dizendo que o banco central da Grécia propôs as restrições às transações bancárias, mas que “os depósitos estão completamente seguros” e que as “pessoas devem permanecer calmas”.

Eh eh eh. As mesmas palavras de sempre...Argentina 2001... Chipre 2013... BES 2014...




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« Responder #5774 em: 2015-06-29 04:48:05 »
Puerto Rico’s Governor Says Island’s Debts Are ‘Not Payable’

Puerto Rico’s governor, saying he needs to pull the island out of a “death spiral,” has concluded that the commonwealth cannot pay its roughly $72 billion in debts, an admission that will probably have wide-reaching financial repercussions.

The governor, Alejandro García Padilla, and senior members of his staff said in an interview last week that they would probably seek significant concessions from as many as all of the island’s creditors, which could include deferring some debt payments for as long as five years or extending the timetable for repayment.

“The debt is not payable,” Mr. García Padilla said. “There is no other option. I would love to have an easier option. This is not politics, this is math.”

It is a startling admission from the governor of an island of 3.6 million people, which has piled on more municipal bond debt per capita than any American state.

A broad restructuring by Puerto Rico sets the stage for an unprecedented test of the United States municipal bond market, which cities and states rely on to pay for their most basic needs, like road construction and public hospitals.

That market has already been shaken by municipal bankruptcies in Detroit; Stockton, Calif.; and elsewhere, which undercut assumptions that local governments in the United States would always pay back their debt.

Puerto Rico’s bonds have a face value roughly eight times that of Detroit’s bonds. Its call for debt relief on such a vast scale could raise borrowing costs for other local governments as investors become more wary of lending.

Perhaps more important, much of Puerto Rico’s debt is widely held by individual investors on the United States mainland, in mutual funds or other investment accounts, and they may not be aware of it.

Puerto Rico, as a commonwealth, does not have the option of bankruptcy. A default on its debts would most likely leave the island, its creditors and its residents in a legal and financial limbo that, like the debt crisis in Greece, could take years to sort out.

Still, Mr. García Padilla said that his government could not continue to borrow money to address budget deficits while asking its residents, already struggling with high rates of poverty and crime, to shoulder most of the burden through tax increases and pension cuts.

A camp set up by demonstrators in front of the capitol building in San Juan, Puerto Rico.Editorial: Puerto Rico on the BrinkAPRIL 29, 2015
He said creditors must now “share the sacrifices” that he has imposed on the island’s residents.

“If they don’t come to the table, it will be bad for them,” said Mr. García Padilla, who plans to speak about the fiscal crisis in a televised address to Puerto Rico residents on Monday evening. “What will happen is that our economy will get into a worse situation and we’ll have less money to pay them. They will be shooting themselves in the foot.”

With some creditors, the restructuring process is already underway. Late last week, Puerto Rico officials and creditors of the island’s electric power authority were close to a deal that would avoid a default on a $416 million payment due on Wednesday.

With other payment deadlines looming, Mr. García Padilla and his staff said they would begin looking for possible concessions on all forms of government debt.

The central government must set aside about $93 million each month to pay its general obligation bonds — a crucial action in Puerto Rico because its constitution requires such bonds to be paid before any other expense. No American state has restructured its general obligation debt in living memory.

The government’s Public Finance Corporation, which has issued bonds to finance budget deficits in the past, owes $94 million on July 15. The Government Development Bank — the commonwealth’s fiscal agent — must repay $140 million of bond principal by Aug. 1.

“My administration is doing everything not to default,” Mr. García Padilla said. “But we have to make the economy grow,” he added. “If not, we will be in a death spiral.”

A proposed debt exchange, where creditors would replace their current debt with new bonds with terms more favorable to Puerto Rico, signals a significant shift for Mr. García Padilla, a member of the Popular Democratic Party, who was elected in 2012. His party is aligned with the Democrats on the mainland and favors maintaining the island’s legal status as a commonwealth.

He said that when he took office, he tried to balance the fiscal situation through austerity measures and fresh borrowing. But he saw that the island was caught in a vicious circle where it borrowed to balance the budget, raised the debt and had an even bigger budget deficit the next year.

Residents began leaving for the mainland in droves, and Puerto Rico’s credit was downgraded to junk, making borrowing extremely expensive.

Only a few months ago, the administration was considering borrowing as much as an additional $2.9 billion, which would be paid for by a fuel tax.

But recently, Mr. García Padilla’s team has been laying the groundwork for more drastic action. The governor commissioned a study of the financial situation by former officials at the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Concluding that the debt load is unsustainable, the report suggests a bond exchange, with the new bonds carrying “a longer/lower debt service profile,” according to a confidential copy reviewed by The New York Times. The García Padilla administration plans to make the report public on Monday.

“There is no U.S. precedent for anything of this scale or scope,” according to the report, one of whose writers was Anne O. Krueger, a former chief economist at the World Bank and currently a research professor at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University.

The “Krueger Report,” as it is being called, also seems aimed at the Obama administration and Congress, both of which have taken a largely hands-off approach to Puerto Rico’s fiscal problems. United States Treasury officials, however, have been advising the island’s government in recent months amid the worsening fiscal situation.

In June, Puerto Rico hired Steven W. Rhodes, the retired federal judge who oversaw Detroit’s bankruptcy case, as an adviser. The government is also consulting with a group of bankers from Citigroup who advised Detroit on a $1.5 billion debt exchange with certain creditors.

In Washington, the García Padilla administration has been pushing for a bill that would allow the island’s public corporations, like its electrical power authority and water agency, to declare bankruptcy. Of Puerto Rico’s $72 billion in bonds, roughly $25 billion were issued by the public corporations.

Some officials and advisers say Congress needs to go further and permit Puerto Rico’s central government to file for bankruptcy — or risk chaos.

“There are way too many creditors and way too many kinds of debt,” Mr. Rhodes said in an interview. “They need Chapter 9 for the whole commonwealth.”

Hedge funds holding billions of dollars of the island’s bonds at steep discounts are frustrated that the government has not seemed willing to reach a deal to borrow more money from them.

“We want to be a part of the solution to the commonwealth’s fiscal challenges,” a group of investment firms, including Centerbridge Partners and Monarch Alternative Capital, wrote in a letter last week.

An aide to the governor said the hedge funds’ debt proposal was too onerous. And the deal would only postpone Puerto Rico’s inevitable reckoning.

“It will kick the can,” Mr. García Padilla said. “I am not kicking the can.”

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« Responder #5775 em: 2015-06-29 08:20:23 »
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #5776 em: 2015-06-29 09:50:30 »
bem, e porque me queixava de que o forex estava parado hoje ao abrir a plataforma há 3 alertas de extrema volatilidade para o eur  :D

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« Responder #5777 em: 2015-06-29 10:12:59 »
A mim não me causa problemas a Grécia sair do euro, é um pais não "core" para o Euro, nem sequer tem fronteiras com paises que estão no Euro, já nós somos um pais mais "core", e não imagino o Euro a aguentar-se no formato atual com a Espanha (nosso grande vizinho) a sair.

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« Responder #5778 em: 2015-06-29 10:22:00 »
a saída da Grécia do euro apesar de alguma instabilidade inicial penso que só poderá reforçar o euro pois sinaliza que a rebaldaria a nível de contas nacionais não é aceitável

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« Responder #5779 em: 2015-06-29 10:25:26 »
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