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Crise da Eurozona vai voltar
« em: 2018-03-08 23:07:52 »
Bundesbank back in charge of ECB, sending shivers through Italy


By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, 8-3-2018

The European Central Bank has dropped its long-standing pledge to boost stimulus if conditions deteriorate, signalling the triumph of German-led hawks and marking a major turning point in the eurozone’s monetary regime.

The approaching end to the QE-era pulls away the protective shield for Italy and the high-debt Latin states, and for thousands of “zombie companies” kept afloat on monetary life-support.

Mario Draghi, the ECB’s president, successfully deflected attention from the policy shift by breaching central bank etiquette and attacking the Trump administration’s tariffs on steel.

“Unilateral decisions are dangerous. If you put tariffs against those who are your allies, one wonders who the enemies are," he said.

The ECB’s pious defence of the trade system may irk Washington, since the EU has higher protectionist barriers than the US. The eurozone’s current account surplus topped $485bn (£350bn) last year, or 3.5pc of GDP, and is now the biggest single distortion to the global trading system.

While part of the eurozone surplus reflects ageing demographics, the scale chiefly stems from policies framed by neo-mercantilist ideology that it refuses to change. 

This was made worse by fiscal contraction imposed on southern Europe during the EMU banking crisis, which crushed internal demand and forced the Latin bloc to claw its way back to viability through exports. Peter Navarro, Mr Trump’s trade adviser, blames Europe for dumping the consequences of its own warped pathologies onto the rest of the world.

The ECB’s shift in guidance amounts to a tightening of policy, even though the bank admitted that it will not come close to achieving its 2pc inflation target this decade.

This leaves the eurozone with minimal safety buffers in the next cyclical downturn, vulnerable to a Japanese deflation trap. “They are going to face a problem when the next shock hits,” said Lars Christensen from Markets & Money Advisory.

The ECB has been soaking up eurozone sovereign bonds for the last three years under its QE programme, masking the true fiscal position of vulnerable states. This "golden age" is coming to end. The loss of the ECB shield leaves Italy nakedly exposed to market discipline at a delicate time: in the grip of populist convulsion following the rout of pro-euro elites.

Bond purchases have fallen from a monthly peak of €80bn (£70bn) to €30bn. This reduction has already had powerful effects. Janus Henderson says its key gauge of money supply growth – real six-month M1 – has dropped to the lowest level since the Great Recession. It points to a marked economic slowdown later this year.

“As September draws nearer, all those kept afloat by QE and easy money policies may come under scrutiny”

The bond-buying scheme will expire at the end of September. While it can in theory by extended – and may be softened by a symbolic taper until December – the bar for further QE is high. “A major shock would be required for the ECB to change its mind,” said Frederik Ducrozet from Pictet.

There are technical reasons for this. The ECB’s balance sheet will reach 44pc of GDP by the autumn, beyond levels thought safe by the US Federal Reserve. Former Fed chief Alan Greenspan says the ECB is already out of its depth in treacherous waters.

There are also political reasons. Germany is on the cusp of overheating. There is mounting anger in the Bundestag – where the anti-euro AfD party chairs the budget committee – over the true motives for emergency policies so late in the business cycle. Real interest rates in Germany are minus 2.5pc, evoking cultural memories of Weimar.

The Governing Council has in any case tied its own hands by signalling that further QE would risk illegal financing of governments. This leaves the ECB  in an invidious position if there are further court challenges.

The unanimous decision on Thursday to drop the "easing bias" is the clearest sign yet that doves cannot keep testing the political patience of the German, Dutch, Slovak, and Nordic central banks.

As September draws nearer, all those kept afloat by QE and easy money policies may come under scrutiny. Barnaby Martin from Bank of America says 9pc of Europe’s companies are walking dead with interest payment costs above their earnings. This has led to a systemic misallocation of capital that will come home to roost. “The liquidity support for zombie companies will fall away. Europe may experience a "flash" jump in default rates,” he said.

The problem for Italy is that QE has flattered its fiscal profile. Fabio Balboni from HSBC says the ECB has mopped up half the gross supply of Italian debt and shaved at least 100 basis points off Rome’s borrowing costs. The underlying picture – adjusted for the cycle – has been worsening. A depreciation allowance of up to 250pc turbo-charged investment and gave the economy a sugar rush, but only by drawing forward fiscal stimulus.

The county must refinance debt equal 17pc of GDP this year, one of the highest ratios in the world.  There are no obvious buyers. Italian banks have been selling, rotating the proceeds into accounts in Germany or Luxembourg. It is slow capital flight. This pushed Italy’s Target2 liabilities in the ECB’s internal payment system to a record €444bn even before the victory of the Five Star Movement and the anti-euro Lega in the elections. It may take a mucher higher yield to entice the money back.

Italy has little margin for error since public debt has risen to 132pc of GDP, near the limits for a country with no sovereign currency. The trend growth rate of the economy after two decades of structural depression and labour hysteresis is too low to whittle away the burden.

Bad loans in the banking have come down to 15.3pc after the clean-up of Unicredit’s liabilities but this is still high. Lending has not recovered.  The state rescue of Monte Paschi has turned into a bottomless pit. Banco Carige and Credito Valtellinese are still in trouble.

Mr Draghi made a heroic effort to talk down the implications of the ECB’s tightening tilt and fool the markets. He did succeed in weakening the euro. But there are limits to his magic. The Bundesbank is back in charge.



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Re: Crise da Eurozona vai voltar
« Responder #1 em: 2018-03-09 00:36:00 »
relacionado... a luta ideologica dentro do BCE

https://www.ft.com/content/6735a39c-1e43-11e8-956a-43db76e69936

   On the face of it, it looks an easy choice for Germany. More than at any other point in the history of monetary union Berlin has the clout — and a willing candidate in Bundesbank chief Jens Weidmann — to secure the presidency of the European Central Bank.

But officials in the eurozone’s largest and most powerful economy are still hesitating whether to risk political capital on a campaign to anoint one of their own as Mario Draghi’s successor. The fear is that they will have to bend too much to Paris and Rome’s vision of European monetary union in return.

“The price can’t be too high,” said one German official. “The question is what political and economic benefit it brings to Germany.”

The ECB presidency is not only the top job in European finance; it is also one of the most contentious appointments in EU politics. With Mr Draghi stepping down only towards the end of 2019, a final decision is unlikely to come until after the European elections next year.

A deal on the central bank chief is part of a broader package that will shape how, and by whom, Europe’s economy is governed for most of the coming decade.

Also to be decided as part of the package is the post of European Commission president, and whether and how vigorously the eurozone pursues reforms championed by Emmanuel Macron. The French president’s calls for more economic union and greater risk sharing between eurozone member states are anathema to many in Germany.

The wrangling has already begun, with France’s finance minister Bruno Le Maire signalling last week that Paris is far from convinced that a German ECB presidency is a done deal.

Privately, some officials close to Mr Macron are adamant that they will not accept Mr Weidmann, who is seen as one of the most hawkish members of the ECB’s governing council often out of kilter with the prevailing view.

“We are not going to say we don’t want a German ECB president as a matter of principle,” one French diplomat said. “The issue is more about where the person stands on monetary policy, whether he is a hawk or a dove at a time when the ECB envisages exiting quantitative easing.”

“It’s impossible that it’s Weidmann,” another EU diplomat added. “He is just too extreme in his positions.”

Italian officials also insist that they will not support a monetary policy hawk after the Draghi years, which were marked by ultra-loose monetary policy and the ECB chief’s vow to do “whatever it takes” to save the eurozone.

It would be a coup for her [Merkel] if Weidmann gets in. On the other hand she’ll get it in the neck from the party if she doesn’t get her way

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“Draghi really innovated in terms of management of the ECB, and he proved in a positive way even in very delicate moments, avoiding the errors made previously by the bank and governments,” said Sandro Gozi, the secretary of state for European affairs in Italy’s outgoing government.

“We rule out a German-style leadership like that which dominated during the financial crisis but it’s not a problem of nationality, it’s a matter of policy.”

The next Italian government could prove to be even more intransigent on the matter.

For much of the eurozone, the nationality of the ECB chief remains a highly sensitive issue.

For Germany chancellor Angela Merkel, a successful campaign for Mr Weidmann would help silence dissent from the right wing of her party, which is suspicious that Ms Merkel is too keen to bend to Mr Macron’s agenda.

“It would be a coup for her [Merkel] if Weidmann gets in,” one German official said. “On the other hand she’ll really get it in the neck from the party if she doesn’t get her way.”

Mr Weidmann, a former chief economic adviser to Ms Merkel, is the clear favourite to secure the role, according to a Bloomberg poll of economists.

Ms Merkel is set to decide in the autumn whether or not to nominate a candidate and is thought likely to back Mr Weidmann. The Bundesbank itself is pressing the chancellery to avoid discussing other names for the position.

However, the German government also sees issues such as education and digitalisation as more important to the eurozone economy. These are areas where Jean-Claude Juncker’s successor as president of the commission will wield more influence than the next ECB chief.

In addition, many Germans’ top priority for the ECB is a change in policy rather than personnel. German savers hate low interest rates, while the broader economic and political establishment denounces the bank’ €2.3tn quantitative easing programme.

The country’s booming economy, which some fear is turning into a bubble, contrasts with high unemployment elsewhere in the eurozone.

According to such a view, appointing a German as ECB chief would only make economic sense if it would speed the way to higher interest rates. That would not be the case if the price of the post were constraints on policy.


Mr Weidmann supports low rates, but has attacked Mr Draghi’s “whatever it takes” rhetoric. He has also hit out at the quantitative easing programme, which many now credit with kick-starting a broad economic recovery through large-scale asset purchases.

Such a hawkish record has led to speculation that a candidate from another northern European economy will eventually secure the role.

Centre-right German legislators say their goal is in a new era at the ECB, whether under a German head or an official from another northern European creditor state.

Non-German candidates include Finns Erkki Liikanen, current central bank governor, and Olli Rehn, a former EU commissioner responsible for the single currency, as well as Klaas Knot, head of the Dutch central bank.

“No one wants to play the German card at the ECB,” said Hans Michelbach, a senior CSU Bundestag MP.

“We really don’t care what nationality the next ECB chief is. They could be from Finland, or Austria, or the Netherlands. But whoever they are, there has to be a new start at the ECB. They must stop the bank just printing money.”

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« Responder #2 em: 2018-03-09 00:51:06 »
Os problemas não se resolveram. Basta um downturn internacional e volta tudo ao de cima. As dívidas dos países, incluindo Portugal, são impagáveis se não houver ajuda (bailouts ou QE).
 

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« Responder #3 em: 2018-03-09 01:15:09 »
Os problemas não se resolveram. Basta um downturn internacional e volta tudo ao de cima. As dívidas dos países, incluindo Portugal, são impagáveis se não houver ajuda (bailouts ou QE).

na europa principallmente nada se resolveu, meteram foi maquilhagem no porcao
os gajos ainda se vao entalar se a crise chegar e as taxas estiverem ainda super baixas

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« Responder #4 em: 2018-03-09 02:04:02 »
Com a guerra comercial à vista a crise será antecipada. Os futuros e as 'equities' anteciparão a antecipação da crise.
Nem um eventual acordo na Coreia do Norte salvará as economias da crise que entrará por aí adentro já este ano.

Em meados de 2019 estaremos todos (EUA, UE) em recessão técnica.
A recessão será necessária para Donald Trump não ser reeleito.

É o preço da História: é assim que está escrito que deve ser.

   :)

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« Responder #5 em: 2018-03-09 02:08:44 »
Com a guerra comercial à vista a crise será antecipada. Os futuros e as 'equities' anteciparão a antecipação da crise.
Nem um eventual acordo na Coreia do Norte salvará as economias da crise que entrará por aí adentro já este ano.

Em meados de 2019 estaremos todos (EUA, UE) em recessão técnica.
A recessão será necessária para Donald Trump não ser reeleito.

É o preço da História: é assim que está escrito que deve ser.

   :)


se a recessao acontecer nessa altura o BCE vai ser apanhado em recessao com as taxas negativas ou perto

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« Responder #6 em: 2018-03-09 02:11:19 »
Mas com a angústia e a impotência do BCE podemos nós todos bem...

  :P

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« Responder #7 em: 2018-03-09 10:15:32 »
Mas com a angústia e a impotência do BCE podemos nós todos bem...

  :P

:-(
“Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.”
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« Responder #8 em: 2018-03-09 20:39:04 »
Fala-se da possibilidade de os italianos começarem a fazer desvalorizar o euro criando uma moeda alternativa.

Isso poderia dar aos alemães um incentivo para saírem do euro.

Mas não acredito nisto.


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« Responder #9 em: 2018-03-09 20:52:54 »
https://www.publico.pt/2018/03/07/jornal/na-sicilia-a-vitoria-do-movimento-5-estrelas-foi-demasiado-grande-33889718

o norte italia nao foi euro forte  fez ganhar votos  aos direitolas foi migraçoes entrar

isso foi no sul italia  com 5 estrelas  prometer sair euro

Ora bem, os "grillini", grandes vencedores das legislativas de domingo, arrasaram no Sul, principalmente nas ilhas. Na Sicília, o movimento elegeu 44 deputados e senadores, 28 através do sistema uninominal, mais 16 parlamentares na quota decidida com as regras de um sistema proporcional.O movimento criado por Beppe Grillo já era forte nas regiões mais pobres do país,
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Re: Crise da Eurozona vai voltar
« Responder #10 em: 2018-03-09 20:56:38 »
Se a UE entrar em recessão, o Brexit não terá seguidores?

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« Responder #11 em: 2018-03-09 21:19:18 »
https://www.publico.pt/2018/03/07/jornal/na-sicilia-a-vitoria-do-movimento-5-estrelas-foi-demasiado-grande-33889718

o norte italia nao foi euro forte  fez ganhar votos  aos direitolas foi migraçoes entrar

isso foi no sul italia  com 5 estrelas  prometer sair euro

Ora bem, os "grillini", grandes vencedores das legislativas de domingo, arrasaram no Sul, principalmente nas ilhas. Na Sicília, o movimento elegeu 44 deputados e senadores, 28 através do sistema uninominal, mais 16 parlamentares na quota decidida com as regras de um sistema proporcional.O movimento criado por Beppe Grillo já era forte nas regiões mais pobres do país,

Mas a questão é que o M5S / Grillo e a Lega Nord, nenhum deles quer sair do euro. E o povo, esmagadoramente, também não. No passado já defenderam isso, agora já mudaram.

E então se forem para o poder ainda mudam mais.

É um processo chamado Syrização...! :D


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« Responder #12 em: 2018-03-09 23:53:50 »
tem sido dito que a UE não tem futuro e cada vez acredito mais nisso, aliás tenho dito há muito tempo que isto um dia se vai desagregar tudo, e quando isso será mais provável? minha resposta é já na próxima crise global, e porque? porque a grande maioria dos países da zona euro tem divida muito alta enão vão aguentar um embate financeiro global

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« Responder #13 em: 2018-03-10 00:00:54 »
Como dizia o Ulrich: ai aguentam, aguentam.
“Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.”
“In the short run the market is a voting machine. In the long run, it’s a weighting machine."
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« Responder #14 em: 2018-03-10 00:50:46 »
Se for preciso criam-se aí uns 5 triliões de euros do nada. Deve chegar e é fácil...

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« Responder #15 em: 2018-03-10 01:13:01 »
depois sem dividas 
ficam com  liberdade   endividar de novo e criar abundancia socialista   :D

A UE mesmo acabe dura 70 anos na boa!!


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« Responder #16 em: 2018-03-10 02:22:59 »
Mas com a angústia e a impotência do BCE podemos nós todos bem...

  :P

:-(

Estava brincando, claro. Mas admito que haja coisas que nem a brincar.
Esta pode ser uma delas!

  ;)

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« Responder #17 em: 2018-03-10 03:41:02 »
A China e a Rússia, acredito, possam estar mais felizes do que menos felizes com Donald Trump no poder.
Senão vejamos:


1) Em perspectiva, possível solução das tensões politico/militares na península coreana. Agrado da China e da Rússia.

2) Possível guerra comercial principalmente entre os EUA e a UE. A China parece muito menos atingida. Agrado da China e da Rússia.

3) Criticas e clima de hostilidade de Donald Trump (EUA) à Europa da NATO: que paga pouco e vive às custas da protecção dos EUA (segundo Donald Trump). Agrado da China e da Rússia que desejariam que a NATO não existisse.

4) Criticas e clima de hostilidade de Donald Trump (EUA) à Europa das principais potências (Alemanha, França, talvez mais outros...) que andam à décadas (sim, à décadas, segundo Donald Trump) a enganar os EUA com comércio injusto. Agrado da China e da Rússia que vêem sinais de que as boas relações entre os EUA e a UE já não são o que eram.

5) Donald Trump concorda com o divisionismo da UE: louvou o Brexit e até entende que mais países deviam seguir o exemplo do UK. Agrado da China e da Rússia que preferiam ver uma Europa fragmentada, ao sabor 'cada um por si'.

6) Donald Trump concorda com 'governantes vitalícios' que é o que parece que iremos ter na China e parece que já o temos na Rússia. Claramente do agrado da China e da Rússia.


A cereja em cima do bolo seria mesmo:

A) A NATO acabar.
B) A UE extinguir-se.
C) Donald Trump ser um governante vitalício alinhado com a China e a Rússia.


O ponto 4 é interessante do ponto de vista jornalístico, porque:

Se Donald Trump declara que - a UE anda à décadas a enganar os EUA com comércio injusto - e por isso têm superavit na balança comercial então os EUA pela mesma lógica - andam à décadas a enganar a Austrália com comércio injusto - porque têm igualmente superavit na balança comercial.

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« Responder #18 em: 2018-03-10 20:02:42 »
Por isso é que a maioria dos economistas reputados dizem que o Trump é detrimental para o poder americano e ocidental em geral.

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« Responder #19 em: 2018-03-10 21:33:03 »
ainda lembro de um economista dizer que  venezuela e chaves estavam no bom caminho....




http://oinsurgente.org/2016/05/22/stiglitz-sobre-o-socialismo-na-venezuela/

este ate tem nobel


para mim marxistas tem mais poder que trump.. por isso sao mais perigosos

congresso a controlar....o Trump nem muro querem deixar fazer....nem acabar com obamacare

os marxistas   estao ganhar força... mesmo dentro partidos mais moderados da esquerda...

esquerda da terceira via esta ser comida...
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