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« Responder #1300 em: 2021-03-15 08:25:04 »
« Última modificação: 2021-03-15 08:29:01 por Reg »
Democracia Socialista Democrata. igualdade de quem berra mais O que é meu é meu o que é teu é nosso

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« Responder #1301 em: 2021-03-17 07:58:30 »
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US-China relations: No ‘unrealistic expectations’ for Alaska meeting

o    Washington officials say Thursday’s high-level diplomatic sit-down in Anchorage is intended as an initial discussion
o    Difficult issues will be raised, but don’t expect any specific negotiated deliverables, they warn

Owen Churchill in United States
Published: 10:53am, 17 Mar, 2021



A high-level meeting between US and Chinese diplomats in Alaska this week will primarily serve to increase understanding of the two parties’ positions, with low expectations for substantive commitments from Beijing, US officials said on Tuesday.

The meeting in Anchorage on Thursday between US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and his Chinese counterparts will mark the Biden administration’s first bilateral sit-down with Beijing, and comes as tensions continue to boil on a multitude of fronts, ranging from Hong Kong and Xinjiang, to maritime security and economic policy.

“The conversations in Anchorage are very much intended as an initial discussion to understand … our interests, intentions and priorities,” a senior administration official said on a background briefing call with reporters. The US did not anticipate any “specific negotiated deliverables” to result from the talks, they said, nor would there be a joint statement issued following the meeting.

“We don’t have any unrealistic expectations,” another senior official on Tuesday’s call said. “We’re of course coming to these discussions with a very clear-eyed view about [China’s] pretty poor track record of keeping its promises.”

Representing Beijing at Thursday’s meeting will be Yang Jiechi, China’s top diplomat, and Foreign Minister Wang Yi. Blinken will be joined by White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, both of whom will be returning from meetings with allied governments in the Indo-Pacific region.

Despite low expectations for deliverable commitments from Beijing, officials said on Tuesday they believed the US was going into the talks with an “increasingly strong hand”, noting progress in the country’s ongoing pandemic recovery and the administration’s efforts to reinvigorate alliances with global partners.

The first official said the administration would “lay down some specific areas where we believe Beijing does need to take some steps to change course”, among them its “economic coercion” of US allies such as Australia. Other areas expected to be raised by Blinken and Sullivan include Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Taiwan, China’s actions in the South China Sea, and technology.

The US side will also seek to put to rest a perception held by some in Beijing that there are discrepancies between what the administration says in public and its messages behind closed doors, the official said.

“We think it’s really important that we dispel that idea very early, and that we’re very clear with delivering the same messages in private, that you have heard from us in public.”

While the meeting is being held thousands of miles away from either capital, US officials have been eager to highlight the symbolic weight of the administration’s first meeting with China taking place on US soil. “Being on our own territory was extremely important for this meeting,” the official said.

The officials did not answer questions about which side had first requested the meeting, which Beijing last week said had been organised following a proposal from Washington.

Speaking earlier on Tuesday, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said the administration expected there would be “parts of the conversation that could be difficult”. But the meeting also provided an opportunity to discuss issues on which the US and China could work together, such as the climate crisis and nuclear non-proliferation, she told reporters aboard Air Force One.

US officials, including Blinken, have stressed the meeting will not constitute the beginning of an ongoing dialogue. “This is not the resumption of a particular dialogue mechanism, or the beginning of a dialogue process,” one of the officials said on Tuesday. “This is very much about sitting down, getting an understanding of each other, and then taking that back and taking stock.”

The meeting comes as the Biden administration shores up alliances in the Indo-Pacific region to counter what Washington considers to be Beijing’s coercive actions in the region.

Speaking to reporters earlier on Tuesday, following meetings with his Japanese counterpart, Blinken accused China of undermining Hong Kong’s autonomy, abusing human rights in the country’s far western regions, and violating international law with its maritime claims in the South China Sea.

“We’re united in the vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific region, where countries follow the rules, cooperate whenever they can, and resolve their differences peacefully,” Blinken said of the US-Japan partnership. “And in particular, we will push back if necessary when China uses coercion or aggression to get its way.”

Ahead of Thursday’s meeting, Beijing said it hoped the talks would offer an opportunity for both sides to “get China-US relations back on track”, while also warning of red lines and vowing to “firmly safeguard its sovereignty, security and developmental interests”.

Addressing reporters last week amid a wave of condemnation from the US and others over Beijing’s move to overhaul Hong Kong’s electoral system, foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian called on the US to “stop interfering in China’s Hong Kong affairs and refrain from going further down the wrong path”.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3125729/us-china-relations-no-unrealistic-expectations-alaska-meeting




Percebe-se que essa coisa de “get China-US relations back on track” não vai acontecer...

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« Responder #1302 em: 2021-03-17 11:20:26 »
Não há muito como resolver, pois o objectivo estratégico dos EUA é literalmente não deixar a China ameaçar a sua supremacia ... o resto são desculpas para atingir esse objectivo.
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« Responder #1303 em: 2021-03-17 11:49:02 »
Sendo verdade que, em novo, sempre me reservei, cauteloso,
da supremacia política dos norte-americanos, contrapondo-lhes
quer a lógica brilhante da liberdade francesa, quer a fina fleugma
dos nossos amigos britânicos, assim como a alegre, espontaneidade
dos irmãos italianos, fico muito apreensivo se aos norte-americanos
haja de suceder os confucionistas chineses... porém, os japoneses
são-me bem mais familiares, porventura pela beleza da sua poesia,
assim como pela coragem e bravura de um povo que sofre mas não
verga. Chineses... são-nos realmente mais incompreensíveis, claro,
... isto não é um pensamento, apenas um sentimento, um receio.

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« Responder #1304 em: 2021-03-18 23:42:02 »
Blinken warns China of need to respect global order or face a 'more violent world' at first meeting

By Jennifer Hansler, Kylie Atwood and Nicole Gaouette, CNN
Updated 2159 GMT (0559 HKT) March 18, 2021



(CNN) - US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told senior Chinese officials on Thursday that he and national security adviser Jake Sullivan intend to discuss their "deep concerns" about some of China's actions and make clear the US does not seek conflict with Beijing.

Blinken made the remarks before the two top national security officials sat down with their Chinese counterparts in Anchorage, Alaska -- a key first meeting in the relationship that the US secretary of state has called "the biggest geopolitical test of the 21st century."

Blinken said the US intends to defend the "rules-based order" without which there would be a "much more violent world" and said that Chinese activities in places like Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan, as well as its cyber attacks on the US and economic coercion of US allies, "threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability. That's why they're not merely internal matters, and why we feel an obligation to raise these issues here today."

"Our administration is committed to leading with diplomacy to advance the interests of the United States and to strengthen the rules-based international order," Blinken said. "That system is not an abstraction. It helps countries resolve differences peacefully, coordinate multilateral efforts effectively and participate in global commerce with the assurance that everyone is following the same rules. The alternative to a rules-based order is a world in which might makes right and winners take all. And that would be a far more violent and unstable world for all of us."

Blinken, Sullivan, Chinese foreign affairs chief Yang Jiechi and State Councilor Wang Yi convened in Anchorage for what US administration officials described as "a broader strategic conversation" about the United States' wide range of concerns about Chinese behavior, as well as areas of potential mutual interest.

The lead-up to the meeting sent a clear message: the US will not shift from the increasingly tough position on Beijing taken by the Trump administration, but Biden's team has said it plans to apply those tougher standards more effectively by working closely with allies -- and they'll seek to do it without the internal divisions that plagued the Trump administration or the former President's name-calling, which many analysts say undermined US-China policy in the past.

"Sometimes you heard one thing in public but seemed to see something different -- coming from elsewhere," a senior administration official said of the Trump administration. "One of the things for us to also demonstrate here is a sense of coordination and sort of a unified approach, that it was not potentially the case in the last administration."

The White House made clear that it was "important" that the meeting happen on US soil, and senior administration officials stressed that the presence of both Blinken and Sullivan demonstrate a strong united front.

"This is a very deliberate and visual demonstration of that from the get-go that we think is really important for helping to inform and shape how China seeks to engage with us," one senior official told reporters this week, adding that "the games that China has played in the past to divide us or attempt to divide us are simply not going to work here."

Blinken will arrive in Alaska after a high-profile trip to South Korea and Japan alongside US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. The top US diplomat used his visits to Seoul and Tokyo to emphasize US unity with its Asian allies. He also unveiled a swath of sanctions against Hong Kong and Chinese officials for their actions in Hong Kong, underscoring US impatience at Beijing's increasing aggression.

Russia and China set to meet next week

The meeting comes as Russia and China announced their own bilateral gathering next week, a diplomatic show of force that highlights their growing cooperation. Moscow announced Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov would travel to South Korean to meet officials there as well.

US officials have portrayed the Alaska meeting as a forum for airing their concerns directly with Chinese officials, "to demonstrate to our counterparts that there is no difference between what we say in public and what we say in private," as Blinken said this week.

"It's just important to make sure we understand each other, and in particular that our Chinese counterparts understand the concerns that we have, understand why so many countries are increasingly worried about the actions that China is taking, again, whether it's with regard to human rights at home or some of its aggressive actions in the region," he said in an interview with TV Asahi Wednesday.

Those concerns range from China's aggression in the South and East China Seas to its economic practices to its human rights abuses in Xinjiang, which the administration has said amounts to genocide.

Thursday's meeting is not expected to result in "specific negotiated deliverables" nor will there be a joint statement, the senior official said.
"This really is a one-off meeting," the official said. "This is not the resumption of a particular dialogue mechanism or the beginning of a dialogue process."

Blinken said last week that any potential follow-on meetings "really have to be based on the proposition that we're seeing tangible progress and tangible outcomes on the issues of concern to us with China."

"Beijing has been talking about its desire to change the tone of the relationship," a second senior administration official told reporters.

"And of course, we're going to be looking at deeds not words on that front, and we're of course coming to these discussions with a very clear eyed view about the (People's Republic of China)'s pretty poor track record of keeping its promises," the official said.

Blinken has called China "the biggest geopolitical test of the 21st century" and President Joe Biden has vowed to "out-compete" with the country, but the administration has also said that they will work with China where it is in US interest to do so, on issues such a climate change.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Thursday it accepted the proposal for the talks as "a constructive gesture showing our sincerity towards resuming China-US dialogue and exchange and improving and developing China-US relations."

However, spokesperson Zhao Lijian said that the US should not expect a change on the range of issues it considers to be internal matters.

"On issues that bear on China's sovereignty, security and core interests, no one shall expect China to make any compromise or trade-offs," he said. "China is determined and resolute in safeguarding its core interests."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/18/politics/blinken-sullivan-china-alaska-meetings/index.html





Esta noticia, na minha opinião tem uma "desinformação":
The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Thursday it accepted the proposal for the talks as "a constructive gesture showing our sincerity towards resuming China-US dialogue and exchange and improving and developing China-US relations."

O interesse deste encontro foi muito mais da parte da China (quase todo o interesse). O encontro já foi quando os representantes dos EUA regressavam aos EUA, a meio caminho, no Alaska, depois do encontro com o Japão e Coreia do Sul. Não é importante para os EUA este pormenor mas revela que os EUA ainda são "benovelentes" à China que tem uma necessidade de se mostrar forte...

Tudo indica também uma maior aproximação na cooperação China-Rússia, quem sabe se uma aliança militar...
Um mundo mais perigoso...


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Re: China - Tópico principal
« Responder #1305 em: 2021-03-19 05:17:59 »
Deverá, deveria, haver uma forma
de atrair a Rússia ao ocidente
em vez de a inclinar
para o oriente.

Índia, Japão, Coreia do Sul
afim do mundo euro-americano
é bom. Convinha, no mínimo,
a Rússia ter connosco uma
neutralidade colaborante.


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« Responder #1306 em: 2021-03-23 08:24:26 »
China using COVID vaccines to lure Paraguay away from Taiwan: MOFA
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4158174


Não me lembro quem disse... não se deve politizar as vacinas,
se o representante da China na OMS ou o próprio Xi Jinping ou outro...

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« Responder #1307 em: 2021-03-23 14:21:09 »
China, Russia officials meet in show of unity against EU, US
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4158135

The U.K.’s Response to Russian and Chinese Nuclear Aggression
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2021/03/22/the_uks_response_to_russian_and_chinese_nuclear_aggression_769226.html


Um sarilho para as próximas décadas...

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« Responder #1308 em: 2021-03-23 16:47:34 »
O que a china se esquece e que todos estes paises mais tarde se vao lembrar que esta pandemia comecou por causa da china...

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« Responder #1309 em: 2021-03-24 15:35:40 »
A pandemia começou na China como podia ter começado noutro lugar qualquer...
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« Responder #1310 em: 2021-03-24 16:25:16 »
A pandemia começou na China como podia ter começado noutro lugar qualquer...

Então? 
Como podia ter começado noutro lugar qualquer, se o início da pandemia é em «Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China»?
Jim Chanos: "We Are In The Golden Age of Fraud".

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« Responder #1311 em: 2021-03-24 17:49:48 »
Qualquer pandemia pode começar num lugar qualquer. Naturalmente muitas começarão na China, com a população que tem...
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein

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« Responder #1312 em: 2021-03-24 20:58:35 »
O 'trabalho' do vírus é o de adaptar-se aos hospedeiros de cada região.

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« Responder #1313 em: 2021-03-24 22:03:21 »
Relativamente a todas as pandemias das ultimas decadas, penso que com o excecao da gripe a, todas comecaram  a china e hong-kong. Nao estou a contar com ebola, sida, etc, apenas pandemias gripais.

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« Responder #1314 em: 2021-03-24 22:49:47 »
Estás a contar mal e a excluir coisas logo à partida. E também à chegada: Vika, MERS.

Podem existir muitas razões para não se gostar da China, incluindo a probabilidade de não gostarem de nós. Mas a China internacionalmente não é propriamente agressiva (não obstante todas as notícias de Mar do Sul e afins, não e como se andassem a bombardear alguém), e a pandemia é um mau motivo para se detestar os mesmos.

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« Responder #1315 em: 2021-03-24 23:05:47 »
Ontem vi uns videos da australia com a invasao de ratos provocada pelas cheias.
Voces viram aquilo?
Eu nao percebo è como nao ha surtos incontrolaveis de peste bubonica ou leptospirose ou coriomeningites

Eu critico algumas coisas na china mas nem quero saber.
Em relacao a chineses ou asiaticos conheco 3 familias. Duas delas super poderosas. Eles sao muito diferentes mas o ocidente tambem nao pode pedir-lhes para mudar. È outro mundo.

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« Responder #1316 em: 2021-03-28 18:11:52 »

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« Responder #1318 em: 2021-03-28 18:19:54 »
" É tudo um rolo danado mas acho que o que tende a acontecer é o status quo, isso é a minha visão, moro em Taiwan há muito tempo :)

A relação entre os dois governos é sempre ruim mas entre os cidadãos o que acontece é quase uma rixa/amizade parecida com Brasil e Portugal, digamos. Os dois países falam a mesma língua, muitos tem parentes ou ancestrais, tios morando na China/Taiwan, chineses se casam com taiwaneses, não há ódio entre os dois países por parte dos moradores. Antes da pandemia era comum ver grupos de turistas chineses passeando em Taiwan e estava tudo bem (já os taiwaneses precisam tomar certo cuidado na China pois tudo pode acontecer arbitrariamente). O problema é sempre político.

A temperatura da relação se torna mais e menos tensa politicamente dependendo do partido do presidente de Taiwan, alguns partidos são pró sistema de "duas Chinas", outros querem se desvencilhar totalmente, abandonando inclusive o nome "China" (oficialmente Taiwan se chama República da China), outros são mais extremos e ainda reivindicam o território da China como sendo Taiwanês, tomado durante a guerra civil pelos comunistas etc. Outro exemplo estranho da relação é que, como ambos os países reivindicam seus territórios, cidadãos taiwaneses são considerados chineses e vice-versa. Portanto se a China decidir invadir, estaria atacando seus próprios cidadãos, na teoria.

Macau e Hong Kong caíram mais facilmente no poder da China pelo motivo de estarem muito próximos a ela e terem sido devolvidos formalmente por Portugal e Reino Unido respectivamente. Taiwan está a uns 200km separado pelo mar do estreito de Taiwan e a história é totalmente diferente e proveniente de um imbróglio lá da década de 30. O que pode acontecer é a compra de influência, corrupção dos governantes Taiwaneses até o ponto de uma reunificação, o que seria terrível pra democracia e liberdade na Ásia e uma ameaça enorme pro Japão. Taiwan é muito mais livre e avançada no campo dos direitos humanos, liberdade de expressão, cidadania, segurança jurídica, cordialidade e confiança entre as pessoas etc.

Já no dia que a China der um passo a mais numa direção belicosa teria que se entender também com os maiores aliados de Taiwan: Japão, Estados Unidos, Austrália, Canadá, Nova Zelândia... o dia que esses países todos entrarem numa briga, a menor das preocupações será as ações da TSMC"


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« Responder #1319 em: 2021-03-28 18:21:08 »
Se houver uma III Guerra Mundial ou algo assemelhado,o estopim vai ser Taiwan