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US 'seriously' considering $1 trillion coin to pay off debt

The US is "seriously" considering creating a $1 trillion platinum coin to write down part of its debt to stop the world's largest economy defaulting as early as next month, according to financial analyst Cullen Roche.
 
By Rebecca Clancy

Speaking to the BBC's Today programme, Mr Roche, founder of Orcam Financial Group and blogger at Pragmatic Capitalism, said the idea was being taken "somewhat seriously" in Washington.

"I know it’s been spoken about at the White House and a number of prominent people, including congressman, are talking about it," he said.

In theory the US Treasury would mint the coin and deposit it into its own account at the Federal Reserve, which would allow the government to write down or cancel $1 trillion of its $16.4 trillion debt pile.

The Treasury began shuffling funds in order to pay government bills after the country hit its $16 trillion debt limit on December 31. However, the Treasury's accounting maneouvres will last only until around the end of February as the latest fiscal cliff deal gives US politicians two months to raise the debt limit before the country defaults.

The idea, which was raised last year, has been floated by several financial analysts in the States over recent days as Congress and the government approach the key fiscal vote.

Mr Roche said the idea was an "accounting gimmick", but noted it was just "one really silly idea [being used] to fight another silly idea".

"The idea of the US willingly defaulting on debt is beyond crazy," he said.

"We started kicking the idea around a year ago and it was really a joke and the fact it’s become something sort of serious, well it’s a sad state of affairs that it’s become so dysfunctional in Congress that this is something we’re having to resort to."

Writing in his New York Times blog, economist Paul Krugman, said that while he did not expect the Treasury to go ahead with this "gimmick", there could be a case for it.

"This is all a gimmick — but since the debt ceiling itself is crazy, allowing Congress to tell the president to spend money then tell him that he can’t raise the money he’s supposed to spend, there’s a pretty good case for using whatever gimmicks come to hand," he said.

Mr Roche also did not expect the Treasury to go ahead and mint a $1trillion coin, but said President Obama could use it as threat.

"I don’t think it’s something that will end up being used but I think that if it comes down to it we could potentially see the President use this as something where he says, 'look if you’re going to threaten to default on debt then I’m going to threaten to use the coin loophole'."

There are limits on how much paper money the US can circulate and rules that govern coinage on gold, silver, and copper.

But, the Treasury has broad discretion on coins made from platinum, and in theory, it is allowed to mint a platinum coin and assign any value to it.

However, it is worth noting that this was intended to issue commemorative coins and not as a fiscal measure, Mr Krugman said.

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Re:US 'seriously' considering $1 trillion coin to pay off debt
« Responder #1 em: 2013-01-08 10:57:28 »
However, it is worth noting that this was intended to issue commemorative coins and not as a fiscal measure, Mr Krugman said.

Ao fim e ao cabo, nada melhor que uma moeda comemorativa de 1 trilião de dólares para comemorar a dívida americana e mostrar urbi et orbi a gratidão sincera do tio Sam aos aforradores do mundo.
"Everyone knows where we have been. Let's see where we are going." – Another

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Re:US 'seriously' considering $1 trillion coin to pay off debt
« Responder #2 em: 2013-01-09 03:35:06 »
Eles estão a brincar com o fogo. Por muito que eu respeite o Krugman, acho que ele se esquece que muito do mercado monetário depende da confiança. Se se fazem muitas brincadeiras destas, um dia o mercado perde a confiança na moeda e então as previsões do Krugman falham e temos subidas das yields.

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Re:US 'seriously' considering $1 trillion coin to pay off debt
« Responder #3 em: 2013-01-09 10:24:34 »
Eles estão a brincar com o fogo. Por muito que eu respeite o Krugman, acho que ele se esquece que muito do mercado monetário depende da confiança. Se se fazem muitas brincadeiras destas, um dia o mercado perde a confiança na moeda e então as previsões do Krugman falham e temos subidas das yields.

basicamente o que se anda a dizer desde 2008. já lá vão 5 anos.
armadilha de liquidez!!!!
enquanto não se sair dela, nada feito. nem inflação, nem yelds a subir, nem nada.

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Re:US 'seriously' considering $1 trillion coin to pay off debt
« Responder #4 em: 2013-01-09 10:33:36 »
Eles estão a brincar com o fogo. Por muito que eu respeite o Krugman, acho que ele se esquece que muito do mercado monetário depende da confiança. Se se fazem muitas brincadeiras destas, um dia o mercado perde a confiança na moeda e então as previsões do Krugman falham e temos subidas das yields.

basicamente o que se anda a dizer desde 2008. já lá vão 5 anos.
armadilha de liquidez!!!!
enquanto não se sair dela, nada feito. nem inflação, nem yelds a subir, nem nada.

L

e concordo com a afirmação 'o mercado monetário depende da confiança'.
e só há confiança se sair da armadilha de liquidez. wall street não é parva. sabe o que tem vindo a acontecer no japão. não com duas décadas de deflação que se faz alguma coisa na economia. seja especulação ou investimento.

levar a economia à beira do precípicio, com a treta mal contada do 'debt ceiling' é que é provocar desconfiança e instabilidade nos mercados.
se for preciso emitir a k-coin (krugman coin), será preferível a esta chantagem que a direita americana mantém sobre os USA.

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Franklin D. Roosevelt