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« Responder #7400 em: 2015-07-06 19:23:44 »
não percebi esta questão de aumentarem o haircut dos depósitos. como é que na prática isso se articula com a ELA ?

A ELA é concedida de uma forma próxima à facilidade de liquidez do BCE à qual os bancos Gregos não têm acesso quanto mais não seja porque o colateral de que dispõem não tem rating suficiente. Porém a ELA aceita colateral de menor qualidade, por exemplo dívida pública Grega. Só que quando esse colateral é apresentado para receber liquidez, aplica-se um haircut para melhorar a segurança do devedor. Por exemplo, o banco quer 1 bilião de EUR, se o haircut é 50%, tem que apresentar 2 biliões de colateral. Se é 75%, tem que apresentar 4 biliões de colateral.
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« Responder #7401 em: 2015-07-06 19:30:43 »
OK, thanks. Será que isto coloca algum banco na posição de insolvente ?

Pode estar prestes a acontecer o mesmo que no Chipre, em que dão uma talhada nos depósitos acima de X (sendo que este X teria provavelmente de ser inferior a 100K).

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« Responder #7402 em: 2015-07-06 19:54:59 »
deviam exigir 100kM€ por cada 1 euro. Mesmo assim era dinheiro perdido.

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« Responder #7403 em: 2015-07-06 20:03:41 »
OK, thanks. Será que isto coloca algum banco na posição de insolvente ?

Pode estar prestes a acontecer o mesmo que no Chipre, em que dão uma talhada nos depósitos acima de X (sendo que este X teria provavelmente de ser inferior a 100K).

Na Grécia não parecem preocupados:

* GREEK BANKING SOURCE SAYS HAIRCUT ON ELA SECURITY INCREASED BY ABOUT 10 % ON SOME COLLATERAL BUT OVERALL IMPACT ON BANKS WILL BE LIMITED
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« Responder #7404 em: 2015-07-06 20:38:54 »
Brilhante!  :D

* DUTCH PVV PARTY CALLS FOR REFERENDUM ON SUPPORT FOR GREEK AID

Diga-se que parece que existiu uma sondagem que dava 75% ao Não (em "não queremos").

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« Responder #7405 em: 2015-07-06 20:39:40 »
Minister No More!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

The referendum of 5th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage.

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

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« Responder #7406 em: 2015-07-06 20:50:15 »
por isto se pode ver o carácter infantil e vingativo dos burocratas europeus.

'se aquele menino entrar na brincadeira, eu não brinco!'.

patético.

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« Responder #7407 em: 2015-07-06 20:52:11 »
Minister No More!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

The referendum of 5th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage. (1)

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government. (2)

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

yanis varoufakis


Rir.

(1) Isso era se as negociações não incluíssem a necessidade de MAIS dívida.

(2) Isso era se toda a base do socialismo não fosse dar privilégios ao Office (e a quem o detém), por oposição a deixar o mercado livre decidir quem deve ser privilegiado.
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« Responder #7408 em: 2015-07-06 20:52:51 »
por isto se pode ver o carácter infantil e vingativo dos burocratas europeus.

'se aquele menino entrar na brincadeira, eu não brinco!'.

patético.

L

Não sabes como ele se comportava entre portas e nas negociações, pelo que não podes saber se existe ou não razão para aquela posição ...
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« Responder #7409 em: 2015-07-06 21:09:35 »
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/why-the-greek-bailout-failed-by-kenneth-rogoff-2015-07

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CAMBRIDGE – As the Greek crisis evolves, it is important to understand that a successful structural-adjustment program requires strong country ownership. Even if negotiators overcome the most recent sticking points, it will be difficult to trust in their implementation if the Greek people remain unconvinced. That has certainly been the experience so far. And without structural reform, there is little chance that the Greek economy will see sustained stability and growth – not least because official lenders are unwilling to continue extending an unreformed Greece significantly more money than it is asked to pay. (This has been the case through most of the crisis, even if one would never know it from the world press coverage.)
Greece’s membership in the European Union gives its creditors significant leverage, but evidently not enough to change the fundamental calculus. Greece remains very much a sovereign country, not a sub-sovereign state. The “troika” of creditors – the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank, and the European Commission – simply do not enjoy the kind of leverage over Greece that, say, the Municipal Assistance Corporation wielded over New York City when it teetered on the edge of bankruptcy in the mid-1970s.

The best structural-adjustment programs are those in which the debtor country’s government proposes the policy changes, and the IMF helps design a bespoke program and provides the political cover for its implementation. Imposing them from the outside is simply not an effective option. So, for reforms to take hold, the Greek government and its electorate must believe in them.
That a country must take ownership of its reform program is not a new lesson. The IMF’s rocky relationship with Ukraine began long before the latest round of negotiations. Back in 2013, IMF staff wrote a sobering report on the organization’s experience in the country. Their conclusion, in essence, was that the government’s failure to embrace the reform process fully all but guaranteed that its program would not work.
If a government is incapable of or uninterested in making the needed adjustments, the report argued, the best option is to drip money out as reforms are implemented, as is now being done in Greece. Unfortunately, that approach has not proved adequate to overcome the challenges there. Structural-reform conditions often tilt the balance between competing domestic factions, for better or for worse. If there is no will inside the country to maintain the reforms, they will quickly be undermined.
Left-wing ideologues have long viewed structural-reform programs with deep suspicion, accusing international lenders like the IMF and the World Bank of being captured by neoliberal market fundamentalists. This critique has some truth in it, but is overblown.
To be sure, structural reforms often favor policies like labor-market flexibility. But one should not make the mistake of viewing these interventions in black-and-white terms. Breaking down dual labor markets that are excluding young workers (as they do in much of southern Europe, including Italy and, to some extent, France) is very different from making it easier to fire all workers. Making pension systems sustainable does not amount to making them stingier. Making tax systems simpler and fairer is not the same as raising all taxes.
Recently, opponents of structural reform have put forward more exotic objections – most notably the problem caused by deflation when policy interest rates are at zero. If structural reforms simply lower all wages and prices, it may indeed be difficult in the short-term to counter the drop in aggregate demand. But a similar critique could be made of any other change in policy: if it is poorly designed, it will be counter-productive. The truth is that the way forward in Europe requires achieving greater productivity.
The lessons from Greece and other unsuccessful bailout programs are sobering. If a debt bailout program requires a wholesale change in a country’s economic, social, and political model, the best course of action might be to write off the private losses, rather than pour in public money to cover them. In cases like Greece, the creditors’ passion for structural reforms might be better directed at home – particularly toward improving financial regulation.
The vast majority of Greeks want to stay in the EU. In an ideal world, offering financial aid in exchange for reforms might help those in the country who want to shape it into a modern European state. But given the difficulty Greece has had so far in making the necessary changes to reach that goal, it might be time to reconsider this approach to the crisis completely. In place of a program providing the country with further loans, it might make more sense to provide outright humanitarian aid – regardless of whether Greece remains fully within the eurozone.

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/why-the-greek-bailout-failed-by-kenneth-rogoff-2015-07#VSqmSkJit0sQouOr.99


Não é mau pensado. Nunca mais enviar dinheiro e em vez disso, enviar latas de atum.  :D

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« Responder #7410 em: 2015-07-06 21:14:54 »
Our NO is a majestic, big YES to a democratic, rational Europe!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

On the 25th of January, dignity was restored to the people of Greece.

In the five months that intervened since then, we became the first government that dared raise its voice, speaking on behalf of the people, saying NO to the damaging irrationality of our extend-and-pretend ‘Bailout Program’.

We spread the word that :

  • the Greek ‘bailouts’ were exercises whose purpose was intentionally to transfer private losses onto the shoulders of the weakest Greeks, before being transferred to other European taxpayers
  • articulated, for the first time in the Eurogroup, an economic argument to which there was no credible response
  • put forward moderate, technically feasible proposals that would remove the need for further ‘bailouts’
  • confined the troika to its Brussels’ lair
  • internationalised Greece’s humanitarian crisis and its roots in intentionally recessionary policies
  • spread hope beyond Greece’s borders that democracy can breathe within a monetary union hitherto dominated by fear.

Ending interminable, self-defeating, austerity and restructuring Greece’s public debt were our two targets. But these two were also our creditors’ targets. From the moment our election seemed likely, last December, the powers-that-be started a bank run and planned, eventually, to shut Greece’s banks down. Their purpose?

  • To humiliate our government by forcing us to succumb to stringent austerity, and
  • To drag us into an agreement that offers no firm commitment to a sensible, well-defined debt restructure.

The ultimatum of 25th June was the means by which these aims would be achieved. The people of Greece today returned this ultimatum to its senders; despite the fear mongering that the domestic oligarchic media transmitted night and day into their homes.

Today’s referendum delivered a resounding call for a mutually beneficial agreement between Greece and our European partners. We shall respond to the Greek voters’ call with a positive approach to:

The IMF, which only recently released a helpful report confirming that Greek public debt was unsustainable

the ECB, the Governing Council of which, over the past week, refused to countenance some of the more aggressive voices within

The European Commission, whose leadership kept throwing bridges over the chasm separating Greece from some of our partners.

Our NO is a majestic, big YES to a democratic Europe.

It is a NO to the dystopic vision of a Eurozone that functions like an iron cage for its peoples.

It is a loud YES to the vision of a Eurozone offering the prospect of social justice with shared prosperity for all Europeans.

yv
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« Responder #7411 em: 2015-07-06 21:24:13 »
O PCP já saudou o povo grego e o Syriza pela coragem.

Entretanto o Partido Comunista grego (sobre o acordo que o Tsipras fez hoje com a oposição):
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No final do encontro de sete horas, o líder dos comunistas, Dimitris Koutsoumpas, disse que só há duas opções: um “memorando duro” ou a saída do euro. Favorável a esta última hipótese — ao contrário dos outros partidos sentados à mesa — os comunistas gregos decidiram ficar de fora dizendo que o acordo firmado esta tarde é um “pacto de lobos”.

:D

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« Responder #7412 em: 2015-07-06 21:28:16 »
Our NO is a majestic, big YES to a democratic, rational Europe!
Posted on July 6, 2015 by yanisv

On the 25th of January, dignity was restored to the people of Greece.

In the five months that intervened since then, we became the first government that dared raise its voice, speaking on behalf of the people, saying NO to the damaging irrationality of our extend-and-pretend ‘Bailout Program’.

We spread the word that :

  • the Greek ‘bailouts’ were exercises whose purpose was intentionally to transfer private losses onto the shoulders of the weakest Greeks, before being transferred to other European taxpayers
  • articulated, for the first time in the Eurogroup, an economic argument to which there was no credible response
  • put forward moderate, technically feasible proposals that would remove the need for further ‘bailouts’
  • confined the troika to its Brussels’ lair
  • internationalised Greece’s humanitarian crisis and its roots in intentionally recessionary policies
  • spread hope beyond Greece’s borders that democracy can breathe within a monetary union hitherto dominated by fear.

Ending interminable, self-defeating, austerity and restructuring Greece’s public debt were our two targets. But these two were also our creditors’ targets. From the moment our election seemed likely, last December, the powers-that-be started a bank run and planned, eventually, to shut Greece’s banks down. Their purpose?

  • To humiliate our government by forcing us to succumb to stringent austerity, and
  • To drag us into an agreement that offers no firm commitment to a sensible, well-defined debt restructure.

The ultimatum of 25th June was the means by which these aims would be achieved. The people of Greece today returned this ultimatum to its senders; despite the fear mongering that the domestic oligarchic media transmitted night and day into their homes.

Today’s referendum delivered a resounding call for a mutually beneficial agreement between Greece and our European partners. We shall respond to the Greek voters’ call with a positive approach to:

The IMF, which only recently released a helpful report confirming that Greek public debt was unsustainable

the ECB, the Governing Council of which, over the past week, refused to countenance some of the more aggressive voices within

The European Commission, whose leadership kept throwing bridges over the chasm separating Greece from some of our partners.

Our NO is a majestic, big YES to a democratic Europe.

It is a NO to the dystopic vision of a Eurozone that functions like an iron cage for its peoples.

It is a loud YES to the vision of a Eurozone offering the prospect of social justice with shared prosperity for all Europeans.

yv


Lark., um texto que diz que alguém externo começou um bank run não pode ser levado a sério. São os depositantes a tirar o dinheiro que fazem o bank run, e o bank run Grego começou em ~2009-2010 ...
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« Responder #7413 em: 2015-07-06 21:35:54 »
White House: Greece Should Be Allowed To Remain In Eurozone
The Huffington Post  |  By   Mollie Reilly
Posted: 07/06/2015 1:16 pm EDT Updated: 31 minutes ago

The White House is urging European and Greek leaders to reach a compromise on Greece's debt crisis, arguing that the country should be allowed to remain in the eurozone.

"The task before the leaders of Europe remains the same," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said during a Monday press briefing. "We have long indicated that it's our view that it's in their collective interest for these differences to be resolved."

“It will require both a package of financing and reforms that will allow Greece to achieve, or at least be on a path towards some debt sustainability, but also be on a path towards economic growth," Earnest said. "This was a pretty clear expression from the Greek people that they do seek greater economic opportunity."

He continued: "Despite their significant differences ... all sides do recognized they have a collective interest in trying to arrive at the package I've described in a way that allows Greece to remain part of the eurozone."

While noting that the United States has an interest in the crisis being resolved, Earnest indicated that President Barack Obama would not be intervening.

"Ultimately it will be the responsibility of the Europeans to resolve," he said.

On Sunday, Greeks strongly rejected new austerity measures proposed by international creditors in exchange for emergency funds to deal with the country's debt crisis. The vote marked a victory for Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tspiras, who was elected on an anti-austerity platform.

"You have made a very brave choice," Tspiras said to voters in a televised address after Sunday's referendum.

After meeting in Paris Monday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande pressed Tspiras to move quickly to avoid a Greek exit from the euro.

"It's now up to the government of Alexis Tsipras to offer serious, credible proposals so that this will can be turned into a program which gives a long-term perspective, because Greece needs a long-term perspective in the eurozone with stable rules, as the eurozone itself does," Hollande said.

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« Responder #7414 em: 2015-07-06 21:37:57 »
O PCP já saudou o povo grego e o Syriza pela coragem.

Entretanto o Partido Comunista grego (sobre o acordo que o Tsipras fez hoje com a oposição):
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No final do encontro de sete horas, o líder dos comunistas, Dimitris Koutsoumpas, disse que só há duas opções: um “memorando duro” ou a saída do euro. Favorável a esta última hipótese — ao contrário dos outros partidos sentados à mesa — os comunistas gregos decidiram ficar de fora dizendo que o acordo firmado esta tarde é um “pacto de lobos”.

:D

Há que reconhecer um facto: são extraordinariamente coerentes nas alarvidades que debitam. Até no estilo.
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« Responder #7415 em: 2015-07-06 21:44:56 »
Tsipras secures domestic backing for last-gasp effort at deal

Greece’s new Finance Minister Euclid Tsakalotos and Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras travel to Brussels on Tuesday with the aim of keeping the country in the eurozone but with most of its partners seeming to have decided that an exit would be more preferable.

Tsakalotos was sworn in on Monday night after replacing Yanis Varoufakis at the Finance Ministry. The outgoing flamboyant economist said he was stepping aside to assist Tsipras’s efforts to reach an agreement with lenders.

Tsipras took part on Monday in a meeting of political leaders chaired by President Prokopis Pavlopoulos. The heads of all the parties (bar Golden Dawn’s Nikos Michaloliakos) discussed the government’s plans for securing a deal with the institutions for several hours.

Sources said that Tsipras informed his counterparts that the coalition would propose a deal based on the most recent set of proposals published by the European Commission.

The premier is thought to have said Athens will also ask for the more gradual implementation of some measures.

It is not clear if the government is willing to add to this set of proposals, which could prove a stumbling block as the deterioration of the economy, which has been accelerated by capital controls, means that a larger fiscal adjustment is needed.

Following the meeting, all the leaders who took part (with the exception of the Communist Party’s Dimitris Koutsoubas) signed a joint statement insisting that they want Greece to remain in the eurozone.

“The recent verdict of the Greek people is not a mandate for rupture, but a mandate to continue and strengthen the effort to reach a socially fair and economically viable deal,” the parties said in the statement, which also called for liquidity to be restore to the banking system and discussions about debt relief to begin.

Tsipras also spoke on the phone on Monday to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde and European Central Bank President Mario Draghi.

Varoufakis, a controversial figure since his appointment in January, will not be part of the negotiations following his resignation on Monday morning. “Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners,’ for my... ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement,” Varoufakis wrote on his personal blog yesterday morning.

His successor, the more mild-mannered Tsakalotos, admitted that he faces a daunting task. “I cannot hide from you that I am quite nervous. I am not taking on this job at the easiest point in Greek history,” he said during last night’s handover ceremony.

According to sources in Brussels, 16 of the other 18 countries in the eurozone are in favor of letting Greece leave the eurozone and they will have to weigh up the cost of any agreement to keep Athens in the single currency.

Merkel, who was in Paris on Monday to discuss the Greek crisis with French President Francois Hollande ahead of Tuesday's meeting of eurozone leaders, said she expected Athens to present reform proposals to creditors without delay.

“It will be important tomorrow that the Greek prime minister tells us how things should proceed and what precise suggestions he can submit to us for a medium-term program that will lead Greece to prosperity and growth again,” Merkel said, adding that “time is of the essence.”

Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert appeared less conciliatory, saying that the conditions are “not there at present to enter negotiations on a new program.” He said the “no” vote in the Greek referendum opposed the principle that “solidarity requires countries to take responsibility.”

Hollande struck a similar tone to Merkel’s, saying “the door is open for discussion” and calling on Tsipras to offer “serious, credible proposals so that this willingness to stay in the eurozone can translate into a lasting program.” The French leader stressed that “time is running out and there is urgency, urgency for Greece and urgency for Europe.” He added that although there is room for solidarity in Europe, “there is also a balance between responsibility and solidarity, which must be our course of action in the coming days.”

France’s Finance Minister Michel Sapin suggested that Paris would support debt relief for Greece if Tsipras presents “serious” conditions for a new bailout package.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said he was in favor of further aid for Greece but not without “responsibility” and reforms from Athens. “What matters is that Greece knows we are willing to help... but the key is that in exchange the reforms necessary for growth and job creation are carried out,” Rajoy said.

In Brussels, meanwhile, European Commission Vice President Valdis Dombrovskis told reporters that there was no easy way for Greece to emerge from its crisis and the referendum result had broadened the gap between Greece and other eurozone countries. Still, he expressed very cautious optimism. “If all sides are working seriously, it’s possible to find a solution, even in this very complicated situation.”

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« Responder #7416 em: 2015-07-06 21:50:35 »
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Tsipras diz a Draghi para acabar com controlo de capitais

Tsipras falou ao telefone com Mario Draghi, presidente do Banco Central Europeu, e disse-lhe que é necessário levantar de imediato os controlos de capitais na Grécia. A notícia partiu da Reuters e a fonte do Governo grego que divulgou a informação não quis ser identificada.

O primeiro-ministro grego falou ainda com o italiano sobre a situação de liquidez dos bancos gregos.
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Bens começam a escassear na Grécia

Os bens importados na Grécia estão a escassear, com a Bloomberg a dizer que os jornais gregos já só têm papel para imprimir até domingo. Para além de faltar dinheiro nas caixas multibanco, a Bloomberg diz ainda que Governo grego está a ficar sem dinheiro para pagar salários, pensões, mas também medicamentos e produtos hospitalares.
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #7417 em: 2015-07-06 21:53:40 »
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Tsipras diz a Draghi para acabar com controlo de capitais

Tsipras falou ao telefone com Mario Draghi, presidente do Banco Central Europeu, e disse-lhe que é necessário levantar de imediato os controlos de capitais na Grécia. A notícia partiu da Reuters e a fonte do Governo grego que divulgou a informação não quis ser identificada.

O primeiro-ministro grego falou ainda com o italiano sobre a situação de liquidez dos bancos gregos.
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Bens começam a escassear na Grécia

Os bens importados na Grécia estão a escassear, com a Bloomberg a dizer que os jornais gregos já só têm papel para imprimir até domingo. Para além de faltar dinheiro nas caixas multibanco, a Bloomberg diz ainda que Governo grego está a ficar sem dinheiro para pagar salários, pensões, mas também medicamentos e produtos hospitalares.
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O Tsipras não compreendeu que a ELA, no melhor dos dias, é um favor. Que fará no pior, sem acordo.

E o problema com os bens importados é previsível -- praticamente nenhum fornecedor exterior à Grécia vai querer conceder crédito comercial pois arrisca-se a que o mesmo se transforme em dracmas. Ou seja, as vendas são a cash, e o cash, bem, sem ELA não há cash.
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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #7418 em: 2015-07-06 21:56:39 »
Entretanto.

"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #7419 em: 2015-07-06 22:09:46 »
muito bom: está a passar na SIC Notícias em rodapé: ULTIMA HORA: Alexis Tsipras alerta BCE que é urgente reabrir a actividade bancária na Grécia

loool então ele pode abrir os bancos, não têm é lá dinheiro!

Já estou a ver a malta que votou NÃO a pensar que o referendo resolvia estes pormenores burocráticos de os bancos não terem dinheiro! opa não explicam!