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Re: Investir na Grécia
« Responder #3100 em: 2015-05-02 22:14:08 »
Oxalá perca as eleições se ousar dar 1 cêntimo aos parasitas da esquerdalha grega. Querem dinheiro vão trabalhar!
Já chega de mamar dos outros.

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Investir na Grécia - os Alemães
« Responder #3101 em: 2015-05-02 22:45:54 »
Se há cuidado que os alemães têm
é sempre deplorarem ter causado
o cataclísmico hitleriano.

Se for estabelecido deverem alguma
indemnização não prescrita ou remida,
pagá-la-ão sem discussão, e sempre
a pedir desculpa.

Foram educados assim.
Procedem assim.
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« Responder #3102 em: 2015-05-03 02:00:54 »
: of or relating to the ability to think in a logical way
: involving serious study and thought

a relação entre intelectualidade e conhecimento não é uma igualdade.
a intelectualidade, a racionalidade, tem a ver com a forma de obtenção do conhecimento. com o método de obtenção do conhecimento.

o conhecimento racional e científico é função da intelectualidade, não é a intelectualidade.

estás a ver o problema da direita?
não é uma questão de matemática, embora por vezes também seja.

é um problema de lógica. e de capacidade de explanação lógica.

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Sim, sim.

É mesmo pessoal que nem matemática sabe, nem sabe como funciona o mundo, que vai depois estar cheio de lógica e racionalidade.

Lark, a razão pela qual a cultura é tão popular e valorizada pela esquerda tem a ver profundamente com o facto de que não exige muito trabalho "gostar-se" da "cultura correcta". Não exige esforço. Logo uma ideologia baseada na falta de esforço e na inveja, naturalmente vira-se para essa facilidade.

Lark, isto até está documentado. Uma revista "científica" social progressista publicou um paper totalmente absurdo gerado precisamente para testar o seu processo de peer review. É uma coisa espalhada.

"Ideologia baseada na falta e esforço e inveja" -- qalquer tipo de esquerda? O socialismo? Em qq caso isso é um preconceito errado. Por que é que quem acha que redistribuir é justo, tem que estar a ser movido por inveja? Ter um sentimento de ressentimento face àquilo que é percepcionado como injusto é uma coisa. Ter inveja é outra. Claro que é muito mais admirável a primeira hipótese.

Esse mito, muito espalhado, incluindo neste forum, é aburdo. É mais ou menos como dizer que os escravos negros de há 200 anos, que começaram  a abraçar ideias abolicionistas, o fundo tinham era inveja dos possuidores de escravos. Não era um impulso justiceiro, era só inveja...

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« Responder #3103 em: 2015-05-03 03:23:16 »
: of or relating to the ability to think in a logical way
: involving serious study and thought

a relação entre intelectualidade e conhecimento não é uma igualdade.
a intelectualidade, a racionalidade, tem a ver com a forma de obtenção do conhecimento. com o método de obtenção do conhecimento.

o conhecimento racional e científico é função da intelectualidade, não é a intelectualidade.

estás a ver o problema da direita?
não é uma questão de matemática, embora por vezes também seja.

é um problema de lógica. e de capacidade de explanação lógica.

L

Sim, sim.

É mesmo pessoal que nem matemática sabe, nem sabe como funciona o mundo, que vai depois estar cheio de lógica e racionalidade.

Lark, a razão pela qual a cultura é tão popular e valorizada pela esquerda tem a ver profundamente com o facto de que não exige muito trabalho "gostar-se" da "cultura correcta". Não exige esforço. Logo uma ideologia baseada na falta de esforço e na inveja, naturalmente vira-se para essa facilidade.

Lark, isto até está documentado. Uma revista "científica" social progressista publicou um paper totalmente absurdo gerado precisamente para testar o seu processo de peer review. É uma coisa espalhada.

"Ideologia baseada na falta e esforço e inveja" -- qalquer tipo de esquerda? O socialismo? Em qq caso isso é um preconceito errado. Por que é que quem acha que redistribuir é justo, tem que estar a ser movido por inveja? Ter um sentimento de ressentimento face àquilo que é percepcionado como injusto é uma coisa. Ter inveja é outra. Claro que é muito mais admirável a primeira hipótese.

Esse mito, muito espalhado, incluindo neste forum, é aburdo. É mais ou menos como dizer que os escravos negros de há 200 anos, que começaram  a abraçar ideias abolicionistas, o fundo tinham era inveja dos possuidores de escravos. Não era um impulso justiceiro, era só inveja...

O exemplo dos escravos deveria funcionar -- e funcionou -- precisamente ao contrário. Estás a esquecer-te quem era obrigado aqui. Quem era obrigado eram os escravos.

Portanto quem justificava alguma coisa eram os detentores de escravos.

Querer evitar que alguém seja obrigado a alguma coisa, é o contrário do que estamos a debater. Alguém sem escravos a querer obrigar ao final da escravatura, não quer obrigar alguém a algo, quer apenas impedir que esse alguém obrigue um terceiro. Não precisa, portanto, de uma motivação de inveja. Basta-lhe a motivação da liberdade.

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O percepcionar riqueza resultante de relações voluntárias como injusto, para lá da injustiça óbvia de alguns nascerem com maiores aptidões que outros, é uma coisa absurda. Sim, vão-se inventando noções sem pés nem cabeça para o fazer, mas o sentido das mesmas é nulo. Se eu cavo 10 batatas, mereço 10 batatas, e se alguém cava 0, merece 0. Não há qualquer injustiça. Se contrato voluntariamente por 1 e fico com 9, continua a ser perfeitamente justo.

(pode existir injustiça natural na habilidade, e também existindo heranças de terras, etc, mas abstraindo-nos disso não existe qualquer tipo de injustiça lógica)

É claro que ninguém alguma vez dirá, ou sequer se sentirá, movido por inveja. O que não quer dizer que não o seja. Pior, é uma inveja que diz "eu quero ter o que ele tem, mas não quero ter a trabalheira que ele teve". É inveja misturada com preguiça.

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É melhor continuar isto no outro tópico ...
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Re: Investir na Grécia
« Responder #3104 em: 2015-05-03 03:37:35 »
Eu até concordo que pode haver muita gente que abraçou as ideias colectivistas que tenha sentido inveja dos ricos e até em que essa inveja tenha dado um empurrão a abraçar as ideias colectivistas. Aquilo que rejeito é que isso aconteça em todas as pessoas colectivistas, não acho que aconteça sequer na maioria. A maioria é movida por ideais justiceiros, considera essas opções nobres e correctoras de injustiças (o que não quer dizer que estejam certos quando apontam uma injustiça).


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« Responder #3105 em: 2015-05-03 03:43:16 »
Eu até concordo que pode haver muita gente que abraçou as ideias colectivistas que tenha sentido inveja dos ricos e até em que essa inveja tenha dado um empurrão a abraçar as ideias colectivistas. Aquilo que rejeito é que isso aconteça em todas as pessoas colectivistas, não acho que aconteça sequer na maioria. A maioria é movida por ideais justiceiros, considera essas opções nobres e correctoras de injustiças (o que não quer dizer que estejam certos quando apontam uma injustiça).

Eu também concordo com isso. Muita gente acredita nos "bons motivos" que são avançados seja para que teoria for. E também muita gente pensa pouco sobre aquilo em que acredita piamente -- basta parecer plausível. Também por isso, os políticos muitas vezes dizem coisas que não fazem sentido nenhum mas que sabem ser populares.

Até os submarinos tinham apoiantes, mesmo fora do pessoal que recebia comissões e mesmo fora dos militares (sem receberem comissões). Afinal, ninguém vendeu os submarinos dizendo "eh pah nós temos aqui isto e gostávamos que Portugal comprasse por 1000 milhões já que fazemos uns cobres valentes se isso acontecer".

Em vez disso terá sido "a vocação marítima", "a necessidade militar", "o combate à droga", "o dissuasor militar", sabe-se lá. "bons motivos".
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« Responder #3106 em: 2015-05-03 22:24:12 »
Sidelining Varoufakis Won’t Solve Greece’s Real Problem

Negotiations about Greece's debt may proceed more smoothly without the country's prickly finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, but his arguments about austerity are incontrovertible.

The news that Greece’s controversial finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, has been shuffled out of negotiations with the country’s creditors, in favor of a team led by the deputy foreign minister Euclid Tsakalotos, evidently pleased the European financial markets: on Monday and Tuesday, stocks moved higher and yields on Greek bonds fell sharply. With the outspoken game theorist no longer participating in the talks, investors are betting that it will be easier for the two sides to reach a compromise that will prevent the government in Athens from going bust and crashing out of the euro zone.

In the short term, the move may well help. The Greek government is virtually out of cash, and relations between Varoufakis and his European counterparts had deteriorated to such an extent that his continued presence was a barrier to a deal to release the $7.2 billion in new loans pledged by the European Union back in February, contingent on an agreement for a Greek reform program. Kicking Varoufakis upstairs—he is staying on as finance minister, and will continue to oversee the negotiations—may well make it easier for both sides to make compromises.

In a lengthy television interview on Tuesday night, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras expressed confidence that a deal could be reached by May 9th, which is a few days before Greece is due to make a big payment to the International Monetary Fund. “Despite the difficulties, the possibilities to win in the negotiations are large,” he said. “We should not give in to panic moves.” Tsipras also ruled out calling a snap election, an option that has been mooted recently. But he did raise the possibility of holding a referendum if Greece was forced to accept terms that went outside Syriza’s anti-austerity mandate.

On the basis that neither side wants Greece to leave the euro zone, I’ve argued all along that some sort of deal would probably be reached at the eleventh hour. Reports from Athens suggest that it will consist of the Syriza government submitting legislation to enact some of the reforms that the European Union wants, such as the introduction of a uniform value-added tax and the privatization of state-owned assets like ports and airports. In return, the E.U. may let slip, for now, some of the other things it has been demanding, including changes to Greece’s pension system and labor laws.

But these issues won’t go away, and neither will Greece’s financial crisis. At this stage, indeed, the extended dispute over the $7.2 billion is starting to look like a sideshow. Come June, the two sides will have to reach a separate agreement on restructuring, or refinancing, the Greek government’s overall debts, which total about a hundred and seventy-five per cent of the country’s gross domestic product. Based on what we’ve seen during the past few months, the chances of those talks reaching a successful resolution are slight.

What is needed, most objective analysts agree, is a big write-down in Greece’s debts and a new policy regime that restores economic growth: that’s how almost all sovereign-debt crises get resolved. In this case, though, the 2010 bailout, which was revised in 2012, didn’t impose any write-down on Greece’s lenders, which were, primarily, large financial institutions. Designed by the troika—the E.U., the I.M.F., and the European Central Bank—the bailout “was about protecting German banks, but especially the French banks, from debt write-offs.” (That wasn’t Varoufakis speaking: it was Karl Otto Pöhl, a former president of the German central bank.) In addition to saddling Greece with an unsustainable debt burden, the troika obliged the government in Athens to slash spending and greatly reduce its ballooning budget deficit. It succeeded in those aims, but at great cost to the rest of the Greek economy. Between 2010 and 2014, the G.D.P. fell by about a fifth, and the unemployment rate rose to more than twenty-five per cent. The bailout caused a depression inside Greece.

To people who follow Greece closely, this story is familiar, but it bears repeating. Since taking over as finance minister, Varoufakis has at times engaged in wishful thinking, stonewalling, and self-dramatization. (On Sunday, he tweeted a quote from a 1936 speech by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, describing his political enemies as “unanimous in their hate for me; and I welcome their hatred.” Varoufakis added: “A quotation close to my heart (& reality) these days.”) But the arguments that Varoufakis has been making about Greece’s plight, and about the damaging impact of the austerity policies that accompanied the 2010 and 2012 bailouts, are incontrovertible.

Sadly, there is still no sign that the leaders of the E.U. are willing to acknowledge these truths, a problem that Athanasios Orphanides, an economist at M.I.T. who formerly served as the governor of the Central Bank of Cyprus, laid out very clearly earlier this year. Why are the Europeans being so stubborn? It’s not simply a matter of faulty economic analysis, although there’s some of that. The main problem is a political one. Having forced the other member countries that have received bailouts—Ireland, Portugal, and Cyprus—to swallow the austerity medicine, the E.U.’s establishment (and many of its member governments) is loath to do anything that seems to give Greece, and particularly Syriza, a break.

One way to avoid this difficulty might be to adopt an E.U.-wide policy designed to reduce indebtedness, such as the debt-buyback proposals contained in a new report from the London-based Center for Economic Progress. Bur rather than moving in this direction, policymakers in Brussels and Frankfurt are sticking to the pretense that Greece will eventually be able to repay all of its loans.

If this standoff continues, then, regardless of what happens over the next couple of weeks, it is probably only a matter of time before Greece defaults on some of its obligations. In that case, the choice would come down to defaulting and creating a new currency, or trying to default without leaving the euro zone. The first option would involve a good deal of short-term pain—limits on bank withdrawals, capital-exchange controls, and, possibly, a spike in inflation. In the long run, however, it could enable Greece to devalue its way out of recession and escape its debt trap.

The second option would be complicated. In a new post at the Centre for Economic Policy Research’s policy portal, Charles Wyplosz, one of Europe’s leading economists, points out that much would depend on what the European Central Bank did. If it didn’t agree, in advance of the default, to continue to act as the lender of last resort, there would be a bank run in Greece, and, quite probably, a wholesale financial collapse.

If that sounds pretty dire, that’s because it is. Greece is in a horrid situation. And sidelining one awkward customer hasn’t changed that.

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« Responder #3107 em: 2015-05-03 22:57:55 »
Não li,  não consigo sem verter a papel e preferiria ler mesmo mesmo quando valesse a pena e se conseguir perceber - e nem sempre o inglês é o meu forte... (bom, e o português do aborto ortográfico, ainda menos!). O "sidelining" do Varoufakis o Marcello chama-lhe em bom português sonante, a "lateralização" para o banco de suplentes, mas imagino que o Varoufakis, se continua ministro é quem manda do princípio ao fim, pelo que a Grécia não sai do euro. O Marcello também referiu que o Presidente da República Alemã já encetou o exame da eventual indemnização de guerra que seja devida à Grécia. Como isso corresponde completamente ao que todos os alemães consideram ser a dívida que têm com os outros países, acredito que seja o gesto de uma abertura negocial franca.

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« Responder #3108 em: 2015-05-05 14:29:47 »
 * VAROUFAKIS SEES NO ACCORD ON GREECE AT MAY 11 EUROGROUP
 


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« Responder #3109 em: 2015-05-05 15:11:58 »
A cada 10 minutos sai uma informação contraditória.

 10:10:39 AM RTRS - FRENCH FINMIN, SPEAKING AFTER MEETING GREECE'S VAROUFAKIS, SAYS GOOD COMPROMISE POSSIBLE
 
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« Responder #3110 em: 2015-05-05 16:51:44 »
então o Varoufakis não tinha sido sidelined?

bós acreditaides em tudo o que a propaganda capitalista bos diz e depois, fodeis-bos.

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« Responder #3111 em: 2015-05-05 17:53:46 »
então o Varoufakis não tinha sido sidelined?

bós acreditaides em tudo o que a propaganda capitalista bos diz e depois, fodeis-bos.

L

Pelo menos eu nunca tinha comentado nada sobre isso.

Nem estou a ver que capitalistas poderiam ter interesse em propalar isso. Agora a dívida Grega está maioritariamente com instituições públicas Europeias ...
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« Responder #3112 em: 2015-05-06 17:45:23 »
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ATHENS – Months of negotiations between our government and the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, and the European Central Bank have produced little progress. One reason is that all sides are focusing too much on the strings to be attached to the next liquidity injection and not enough on a vision of how Greece can recover and develop sustainably. If we are to break the current impasse, we must envisage a healthy Greek economy.

Sustainable recovery requires synergistic reforms that unleash the country’s considerable potential by removing bottlenecks in several areas: productive investment, credit provision, innovation, competition, social security, public administration, the judiciary, the labor market, cultural production, and, last but not least, democratic governance.

Seven years of debt deflation, reinforced by the expectation of everlasting austerity, have decimated private and public investment and forced anxious, fragile banks to stop lending. With the government lacking fiscal room, and Greek banks burdened by non-performing loans, it is important to mobilize the state’s remaining assets and unclog the flow of bank credit to healthy parts of the private sector.

To restore investment and credit to levels consistent with economic escape velocity, a recovering Greece will require two new public institutions that work side by side with the private sector and with European institutions: A development bank that harnesses public assets and a “bad bank” that enables the banking system to get out from under their non-performing assets and restore the flow of credit to profitable, export-oriented firms.

Imagine a development bank levering up collateral that comprises post-privatization equity retained by the state and other assets (for example, real estate) that could easily be made more valuable (and collateralized) by reforming their property rights. Imagine that it links the European Investment Bank and the European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker’s €315 billion ($350 billion) investment plan with Greece’s private sector. Instead of being viewed as a fire sale to fill fiscal holes, privatization would be part of a grand public-private partnership for development.

Imagine further that the “bad bank” helps the financial sector, which was recapitalized generously by strained Greek taxpayers in the midst of the crisis, to shed their legacy of non-performing loans and unclog their financial plumbing. In concert with the development bank’s virtuous impact, credit and investment flows would flood the Greek economy’s hitherto arid realms, eventually helping the bad bank turn a profit and become “good.”

Finally, imagine the effect of all of this on Greece’s financial, fiscal, and social-security ecosystem: With bank shares skyrocketing, our state’s losses from their recapitalization would be extinguished as its equity in them appreciates. Meanwhile, the development bank’s dividends would be channeled into the long-suffering pension funds, which were abruptly de-capitalized in 2012 (owing to the “haircut” on their holdings of Greek government bonds).

In this scenario, the task of bolstering social security would be completed with the unification of pension funds; the surge of contributions following the pickup in employment; and the return to formal employment of workers banished into informality by the brutal deregulation of the labor market during the dark years of the recent past.

One can easily imagine Greece recovering strongly as a result of this strategy. In a world of ultra-low returns, Greece would be seen as a splendid opportunity, sustaining a steady stream of inward foreign direct investment. But why would this be different from the pre-2008 capital inflows that fueled debt-financed growth? Could another macroeconomic Ponzi scheme really be avoided?

During the era of Ponzi-style growth, capital flows were channeled by commercial banks into a frenzy of consumption and by the state into an orgy of suspect procurement and outright profligacy. To ensure that this time is different, Greece will need to reform its social economy and political system. Creating new bubbles is not our government’s idea of development.

This time, by contrast, the new development bank would take the lead in channeling scarce homegrown resources into selected productive investment. These include startups, IT companies that use local talent, organic-agro small and medium-size enterprises, export-oriented pharmaceutical companies, efforts to attract the international film industry to Greek locations, and educational programs that take advantage of Greek intellectual output and unrivaled historic sites.

In the meantime, Greece’s regulatory authorities would be keeping a watchful eye over commercial lending practices, while a debt brake would prevent our government from indulging in old, bad habits, ensuring that our state never again slips into primary deficits. Cartels, anti-competitive invoicing practices, senselessly closed professions, and a bureaucracy that has traditionally turned the state into a public menace would soon discover that our government is their worst foe.

The barriers to growth in the past were an unholy alliance among oligarchic interests and political parties, scandalous procurement, clientelism, the permanently broken media, overly accommodating banks, weak tax authorities, and a weighed-down, fearful judiciary. Only the bright light of democratic transparency can remove such impediments; our government is determined to help it shine through.

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/greek-recovery-strategy-by-yanis-varoufakis-2015-05#L6U4UfW5hRhtoeVi.99


Resumo: Mandem mais dinheiro, e nós prometemos...não...juramos sob palavra de honra que desta vez vamos nos portar muito bem.  :D

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« Responder #3113 em: 2015-05-07 03:01:43 »
Já agora, uma questão: a Grécia ainda possui algum ouro, nem que seja uma quilo? É que se possui, não posso entender como alguém ainda considera estar à mesa das negociações com ela sem lhe exigir esse ouro.

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« Responder #3114 em: 2015-05-07 10:43:43 »
  *GREECE SAYS WILL PRESENT MEASURES ONLY WHEN DEAL REACHED
 
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« Responder #3115 em: 2015-05-07 11:51:32 »
Passamos das negociações para o jogo de poker... Sera que a UE paga para ver as cartas na mesa :)
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« Responder #3116 em: 2015-05-07 17:25:52 »
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Greece Needs Some Post-Soviet Medicine
5 May 7, 2015 10:12 AM EDT
By Leonid Bershidsky

The Greek government just pushed a law through parliament to rehire some of the public sector employees dismissed as part of previous creditor-dictated reforms. That's a strange move for a government already struggling to meet the existing public payroll, but to anyone familiar with post-Soviet economies, it's just a flashback.

Greece's Pain

The new law restores jobs to 3,900 civil servants the government thinks were fired illegally, and opens a path to state employment for at least 4,000 people who passed civil service exams, but haven't yet been taken on. It also removes the risk of dismissal for thousands more, who had been told to find jobs in different parts of the public sector or leave.

This is all happening despite growing government arrears. According to a recent analysis of the country's fiscal performance by Silvia Merler at the Bruegel think tank, the 1.5 billion euros in savings compared with budget targets that Greece achieved in the first quarter of this year were met primarily by delaying payments to third parties. Public servants' salaries are still being paid, but the government has been putting off things like doctors' payments for on-call time.

I read about such seemingly contradictory practices in "Goodbye Empire," a book of interviews with Kakha Bendukidze, the architect of Georgia's sweeping economic reforms in the mid 2000s. Bendukidze, a former multimillionaire industrialist, recalled how his company once bought a factory in Northern Russia:

    It had lost orders and revenues, but it kept its workers. So what the manager did was gather the workers, announce a salary raise, then say he didn't have the money to pay them. This went on for several years. The salaries increased to some monstrous level. It was much higher than the regional average. The workers weren't getting paid but the manager looked like a compassionate man.

When Bendukidze joined the Georgian government in 2004, the country was barely collecting any taxes. As well as introducing a flat tax to address that, Bendukidze slashed regulatory functions and drastically cut the number of public servants. The agriculture ministry, for example, endured an 80 percent staff cut, after which the survivors were cut by a further 50 percent. Famously, the entirety of the corrupt traffic police were fired and half were then hired back. The reformist team even got legislators to reduce the number of seats in parliament from 235 to 150.

All of this trimming helped to reduce public expenditure, corruption and the regulatory burden on business. According to the World Bank, Georgia's gross domestic product in current U.S. dollars increased by 150 percent between 2004 and 2009. If you find that hard to believe, here's the chart:
Georgiagdp
Source: World Bank

The Greek parliament that passed the bill on rehiring public servants has 300 members, one more than the legislature of South Korea, which has a population almost five times as large as Greece. The official responsible for the bill, Alternate Administrative Reform Minister Giorgos Katrougalos, was a lawyer before he joined the government, busily signing clients among laid-off government workers. He promised to get them rehired through the courts for 12 percent of eventual compensation (by Greek law, that's the public servant's whole salary for the time of forced unemployment). Katrougalos has angrily denied that his efforts to reinstate the public servants have anything to do with the commissions he stands to receive, but accusations of a conflict of interest have never really gone away. Many of the public servants to be rehired are still getting paid, anyway, because they appealed their dismissals.

But this is Greece, not Georgia. Although the number of Greek public sector workers shrank by almost 30 percent between 2009 and 2013, economic growth remained elusive. Greek economists have published studies showing that public sector downsizing shrinks the economy, because of the high social cost of increasing unemployment and the loss of those government workers' spending power. That logic would have been impossible for Bendukidze, who died last year, to comprehend. He would have asked: Why don't all these people find something else to do?

In Greece, though, the government structure and regulatory burden have not changed as drastically as they did in Georgia. In the World Bank's ease of doing business rankings, Georgia is 15th this year (up from 137th in 2004), while Greece ranks 61st, below most European Union nations.

A responsible Greek government wouldn't play populist games in the style of Bendukidze's kindly (or deceptive) Russian factory manager. It would abandon the illusion that Greece is a highly developed European country and look to ex-Soviet states for emergency management experience. After all, they, too, endured decades of mismanagement that resulted in bloated, corrupt public sectors stifling business activity. And some of them have managed to improve their positions since.

Georgia is, perhaps, the most striking example, which is why Ukraine has been hiring Georgian reformers to help its own belated post-Soviet transition. Bendukidze is no longer available, but how about shipping a few Georgian, or for that matter Estonian advisers to Greece?


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-07/greece-needs-some-post-soviet-medicine

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« Responder #3117 em: 2015-05-07 17:26:51 »
 * VAROUFAKIS PREDICTS GREEK AID ACCORD IN COUPLE OF WEEKS
 
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« Responder #3118 em: 2015-05-07 18:37:15 »
* BUT, BUT, WASN'T MR VAROUFAKIS SIDELINED?

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« Responder #3119 em: 2015-05-07 21:46:11 »
He said he wasn´t, and never minded his absence,
because negotiations would follow his instructions.