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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9300 em: 2015-08-03 10:53:33 »
Uma visão bem diferente em relação ao mercado. Aquando do encerramento da bolsa de Atenas, a francesa Lyxor suspendeu o ETF sobre a Grécia (GRE) e a Gobal X americana manteve-o em negociação (GREK). Hoje com a reabertura da bolsa o GRE ainda está fechado e o GREk praticamente não varia de preço.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/05/lyxor-had-no-choice-in-closure-of-greek-etf.html

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9301 em: 2015-08-03 13:51:07 »
ao que parece o mercado não está a gostar da brincadeira, esta manhã o índice de atenas caia 23%

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9302 em: 2015-08-03 14:30:14 »
E pelo que li os bancos só não estão a cair mais de 30% porque o maximo de perdas diárias é de 30%. :)

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9303 em: 2015-08-03 15:18:15 »
Estava aqui a ler isto:
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O índice que reúne os principais bancos gregos perde 29,92%. O Alpha Bank cai 29,81% para 22,6 cêntimos, o Piraeus Bank recua 30% para 28 cêntimos, o Eurobank recua 29,86% para 10,1 cêntimos e o National Bank of Greece desvaloriza 30% para 84 cêntimos.

Depois fui ver o National Bank of Greece que também está cotado no Nasdaq (NBG) e desce apenas 4.5%.

Há alguma razão para existir esta diferença tão grande?
(é certo que o NBG esteve sempre a negociar mesmo com a bolsa de atenas fechada)

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9304 em: 2015-08-03 15:23:49 »
A correcção no NBG:NYSE já tina sido feita.

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9305 em: 2015-08-03 15:44:01 »
A correcção no NBG:NYSE já tina sido feita.
é assim de facto



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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9306 em: 2015-08-04 08:32:39 »
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A crise vivida durante os últimos meses na Grécia está a chegar ao setor do Turismo. Dados do portal de reserva de hotéis Booking.com mostram que o controle de capitais e a instabilidade vivida no país fez disparar o número de cancelamentos de reservas face a igual período do ano passado.
Os dados do portal de reservas mostram que o número de pessoas que queriam passar férias na Grécia praticamente caiu para zero no final de julho, altura em que a emergência financeira já estava mais controlada.
Os números contrastam com o início do mês de junho, quando o número de noites reservadas estava a crescer a dois dígitos face ao ano anterior. Foi nessa altura que os cancelamentos começaram a surgir em força e, no início de julho, nem parecia o mesmo país, com os cancelamentos de reservas a ultrapassarem os 70%.
A altura mais crítica coincidiu com a recusa do Governo helénico da proposta apresentada por Bruxelas, o anúncio de um referendo à mesma proposta e, poucos dias depois, o fecho dos bancos e aperto à circulação de divisas.
O acordo entre Atenas e os credores na semana de 13 a 17 de julho trouxe alguma normalização do fluxo turístico, com os cancelamentos a abrandarem, mas também as reservas a começarem a regressar a terreno positivo, mostra o Booking.com, que fala em crise temporária no turismo causada pela própria crise da dívida grega.
Com pouca tradição em indústria produtiva, e produção de azeite a gerar menos de mil milhões de dólares ao ano, cerca de 20% da economia helénica é turismo.
O portal de reservas diz mesmo que as unidades hoteleiras gregas são as terceiras melhores do mundo de acordo com as opiniões dos seus utilizadores.


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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9307 em: 2015-08-04 10:12:51 »
Um pais com mais de 11 milhões de pessoas não pode viver só de turismo e azeite. :)

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9308 em: 2015-08-04 10:19:39 »
Um pais com mais de 11 milhões de pessoas não pode viver só de turismo e azeite. :)

Tás a ver mal a questão: pior do que só viver de turismo e azeite, é só viver de azeite.

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9309 em: 2015-08-04 10:23:39 »
Viver de turismo sem azeite, também é muito chato.
Portugal que o diga, que passou a multiplicar o azeite!

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9310 em: 2015-08-04 10:45:46 »
Bem ainda podiam ser piores como a Albania, esses nem azeite nem turismo nem nada. :)

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9311 em: 2015-08-04 11:41:32 »
Viver de turismo sem azeite, também é muito chato.
Portugal que o diga, que passou a multiplicar o azeite!

Ainda bem que elogias este governo e o passos coelho. É bom saber que há pessoas a perceber que PSD/CDS é melhor que PS/syrizablocoesquerda/PCP.

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9312 em: 2015-08-04 12:43:36 »
(Sem ofensa, é uma expressão minha, da alta infância portuense):
- Oh! anti-dit., anti-dit.! (Que é? - perguntas tu): - Estás vesgo!
LOL
« Última modificação: 2015-08-04 12:45:30 por vbm »

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9313 em: 2015-08-04 14:40:09 »
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How Spain Fixed Its Economy
9 Aug 4, 2015 12:01 AM EDT
By The Editors

So economic stagnation is the new European normal, and the southern periphery the euro area's Achilles' heel? Spain just posted its strongest quarterly growth in eight years and predicts 3.3 percent growth for the year as a whole. Maybe there's a lesson here.

There is, but it's a bit more complicated than "austerity works" -- the message that Europe's finance ministers and the International Monetary Fund might choose to emphasize. Fiscal control has been part of the mix, but only part. Luck had a hand, too. Most important, Spain made some brave, unpopular choices that seem to be working out.

The economy suffered a crippling downturn in the financial crisis, then hobbled along until 2012 without anybody doing much about it. At that point, the government applied for a 100-billion-euro rescue package from the European Union. The situation was grim. Spain's real-estate bubble had burst, unemployment (a blight on Spain for years) had climbed above 25 percent, and cascading bankruptcies further undermined confidence. The yield on 10-year Spanish bonds in July 2012 ran more than five percentage points over Germany's, prompting the European Central Bank to step in to save Spain from speculative runs on its sovereign debt.

The government of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy bowed to austerity demands, cut public-sector wages and benefits, and increased VAT to 21 percent (with exemptions) from 18 percent. Had he stopped there, Spain might have bumped along the bottom for a good while longer, rather than seeing the recovery it's now enjoying.

Low inflation, a cheap euro, the fall in energy prices and renewed financial stability in Europe have supported consumer spending and lifted Spain's beleaguered retailers. Holidaymakers have favored Spain this season, too -- in part because visiting Greece without bundles of cash has presented difficulties. Put much of all that down to luck.

But Spain's recovery today also owes a lot to hard reform aimed at particular failings in the economy. The Rajoy government braved street protests and the rise of an anti-reform left-wing opposition and persisted in a deliberate rewiring of the Spanish economy, with an emphasis on far-reaching labor-market and tax reforms.

In 2014, the government said it would gradually lower the corporate tax rate to 25 percent from 30 percent. The top marginal rate on personal income will fall to 45 percent from 52 percent. The government is limiting deductions, broadening the tax base and making a serious effort to curb evasion.

Companies have been given more flexibility to set wages and working conditions. Wage growth that had run ahead of productivity has moderated. The barriers that created Spain's notorious two-tier labor market, with its underclass of workers on temporary contracts, have begun to fall.

Be under no illusion: The job is far from finished. Structural unemployment -- what's left when growing demand has done all it can -- might still be as high as 18 percent, more than triple the U.S. figure. Tax and labor-market reforms need to go further. The government could do more to help to match job seekers, many of them high-school dropouts, to work or training. Above all, to avoid repeating the errors of the past, it will need to be careful about maintaining fiscal discipline as the recovery boosts revenues and financial pressure subsides.

Nonetheless, Spain proves an important point: Contrary to reports, geography and euro membership condemn no country to economic failure.

To contact the senior editor responsible for Bloomberg View’s editorials: David Shipley at davidshipley@bloomberg.net.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-04/how-spain-fixed-its-economy

OH!  :o
Austeridade e reformas duras, mesmo dentro do euro, funcionam??!
NÃO PODE SER!  :o

CHAMEM O KRUGMAN!!  Rápido!! :D

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9314 em: 2015-08-04 17:47:32 »
Os bancos gregos estão falidos? -60% em 2 dias... amanhã serão outros -30%?

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« Responder #9315 em: 2015-08-04 17:55:51 »
Os bancos gregos estão falidos? -60% em 2 dias... amanhã serão outros -30%?

vem ai o bailin  :D

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9316 em: 2015-08-04 18:51:51 »
Os bancos gregos estão falidos? -60% em 2 dias... amanhã serão outros -30%?

Falidos é provável que estejam, o incumprimento já era enorme e estas semanas sem se poderem fazer transacções deve tê-lo aumentado bastante.

É uma situação difícil, a Grega. Mas se fizerem reformas pode ser que o país esteja a bater no fundo e as condições de financiamento são muito favoráveis, permitindo muitos anos de desafogo financeiro (em termos de serviço de dívida).
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« Responder #9317 em: 2015-08-04 19:52:06 »
Opinion: Varoufakis vindicated while Lagarde emerges as a loser
Published: Aug 3, 2015 1:02 p.m. ET

Former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis was right when he predicted the IMF wouldn’t support more loans for Greece, while IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde was wrong.

Something is going badly wrong in relations between Christine Lagarde, the International Monetary Fund’s managing director, and the staff of the institution. Three times this month, in politically fraught negotiations over a Greek debt package, the IMF staff has disavowed its management over providing more loans to Greece as part of the third bailout deal of €82 billion to €86 billion that euro leaders stated they sealed on July 13.

As Oscar Wilde might have said, to show one such contradiction might be a misfortune, two appears like carelessness, while three looks downright hapless.

The fissures, as well as reinforcing uncertainty over the Greek imbroglio, cast doubt on Lagarde’s utility in attending European debt meetings, where she appeared to endorse decisions later rejected in Washington. The bizarre nature of IMF divisions may influence a top-level government decision about whether to renew Lagarde’s five-year term that ends in July 2016.

Although Lagarde has some support for her incumbency, she is coming under criticism from inside and outside the organization for displaying style rather than substance.

The latest setback, revealed last week by the Financial Times, is the most damaging. The IMF’s board was told on Wednesday that Greece’s unsustainably high debt and shortcomings in realizing reforms preclude a third IMF bailout. This could fatally unhinge the package, since German Chancellor Angela Merkel has ruled out further funding unless the IMF participates in new loans from European governments.

The big question is whether legislators in Germany and other restive North and Central European creditors will start to walk away from a deal that is bound up with so many onerous and mutually incompatible conditions as to be well-nigh unrealizable.

The latest news from Washington vindicates the analysis of Yanis Varoufakis, the former Greek finance minister, who said in an teleconference sponsored by the Official Monetary and Financial Institutions Forum on July 16, ”According to its own rules the IMF cannot participate in any bailout. They have already violated their rules twice to do so. But I don’t think they would do it a third time. I think they are kicking and screaming that they are not going to it a third time.”

Varoufakis’s comments, in a telephone conversation with OMFIF that formed part of a “Greek day” of briefings for international investors, were made under the Chatham House rule, under which the source of shared information should not be reported.

In the interest of transparency, and in line with our organization’s structured policy on information transmission, OMFIF published the Varoufakis recording on July 27. On July 28 OMFIF published on our website the full transcript — along with recordings of the other “Greek day” conversations — after parts of the conversation appeared (in accurate form but without OMFIF’s authorization) in the Greek press on July 26.

In the July 16 telephone conference, with Lord (Norman) Lamont, former U.K. chancellor of the exchequer and an OMFIF senior adviser, and myself, Varoufakis said, “There is a very serious danger here that the Greek Parliament … will push through Parliament these prior actions [for a loan] but then, at the end of the day, the ESM [European Stability Mechanism] and the IMF will not be able to coordinate so as to provide that huge loan.”

Varoufakis continued, ‘Not that I want that huge loan to be provided … but I think there is a major tussle between the institutions: the ESM, the European Commission, the IMF and [German finance minister] Dr. [Wolfgang] Schaeuble. Dr. Schaeuble and the IMF have a common interest, they don’t want this deal to go ahead. Wolfgang quite clearly said to me he wants Grexit [Greek exit from the euro EURUSD, -0.5205%  ], he thinks that this ‘extend and pretend’ is unacceptable and this is the one point where he and I see eye to eye. I agree with him, but for completely different reasons of course. The IMF does not want an agreement, because it does not want to have to violate its charter again and to provide new loans to a country whose debt is not viable. The commission really wants this deal to go ahead, Merkel wants this deal to go ahead, so what has been happening over the last five months is now projected into the very short term — only it is on steroids, and that is this complete lack of coordination between the creditors.

The IMF already demonstrated fault lines with the other creditors when a Fund official briefed journalists on July 2 that Europe should agree to massive and necessary Greek debt relief. The statement, just a few days before the Greek referendum on a former (and less draconian) bailout package, backed Athens’ own policy views on debt, and strengthened the “No” vote in the following referendum.

As I commented at the time, “The IMF guillotined itself. Christine Lagarde, its hyperactive managing director, should have stayed in Washington masterminding operations rather than uselessly and visibly trail blazing around Europe.’

The divisions appeared to deepen further when an IMF debt-sustainability analysis surfaced on July 14 stating that the latest deal would push Greek debt to 200% of gross domestic product and that it could not participate unless the Europeans offered debt relief.

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9318 em: 2015-08-04 20:11:51 »
Os bancos gregos estão falidos? -60% em 2 dias... amanhã serão outros -30%?

Falidos é provável que estejam, o incumprimento já era enorme e estas semanas sem se poderem fazer transacções deve tê-lo aumentado bastante.

É uma situação difícil, a Grega. Mas se fizerem reformas pode ser que o país esteja a bater no fundo e as condições de financiamento são muito favoráveis, permitindo muitos anos de desafogo financeiro (em termos de serviço de dívida).

Talvez já seja tarde shortar NBG para amanhã...

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Re: Grécia - Tópico principal
« Responder #9319 em: 2015-08-04 20:38:22 »
Contas por alto, o NBG:NYSE está a prémio em relação à cotação em Atenas, $0,82 vs. $0,65.