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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #40 em: 2012-11-26 18:54:53 »
Não se trata de um sistema onde o povo teria que ser consultado, etc.
 
Trata-se simplesmente de um sistema que facilite organizar grupos de interesse - de resto, o actual já facilita. Não existe problema em as pessoas criarem e apoiarem clubes, associações culturais, etc, uma de entre as quais se poderia facilmente dedicar ao MO.
 
Novamente, existe aqui uma nuance que não estão a compreender, e é onde está o diferendo. Em coisas largamente opcionais onde as opiniões são extraordinariamente divididas, não faz sentido o Estado meter o bedelho e usar os recursos de todos para favorecer as opções de alguns. O facto de existir uma ideologia que gosta de fazer isso mesmo, é o estranho aqui.
 
Porquê? Se o MO é assim tão popular, o apoio actual sairia a apenas 0.7 euros a 1 milhão de Portugueses. Exactamente porque é que este género de coisa opcional tem que ser forçada a todos os Portugueses?
 
E quem diz isto diz centenas de outras pequenas coisas, onde essa forma intervencionista de pensar acaba por ditar as suas leis.
 
Ora, isto além de anti-ético, muito provavelmente contribui para um menor nivel de vida da população, pois em muitos casos restringe as opções que se podem desenvolver àquelas escolhidas por meia dúzia de pessoas, podendo assim eliminar outras opções que poderiam de outra forma florescer, obter a preferência das pessoas e resultar numa actividade económica muito acrescida.
 
De notar que o mesmo tipo de pensamento uniformizador e centralizado vai afectar muitos campos diferentes. Isto é particularmente grave quando a tendência para a globalização, especialização e aumento de produtividade dita a necessidade de uma economia cada vez mais diversificada, como único contrapeso possível a um aumento do desemprego. Ora, uma corrente uniformizadora nesse contexto é um problema grave.
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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #41 em: 2013-01-11 11:32:29 »
Japanese yen tumbles after current-account data

By Michael Kitchen
On Jan. 10, 2013, 7:09 p.m.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/japanese-yen-tumbles-after-current-account-data-2013-01-10?link=MW_home_latest_news

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- The Japanese yen fell sharply against rivals early Thursday after Japan posted its first current-account deficit in 10 months during November. The dollar jumped above the ¥89 mark to buy ¥89.20, again hitting levels not seen since 2010, while the euro rose to ¥118.36, its highest in more than a year. The moves came after Japan reported an unadjusted November current-account deficit of ¥222.4 billion, far above the expected ¥33.5 billion deficit tipped in a Dow Jones Newswires survey.
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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #42 em: 2013-01-11 19:15:34 »
Is Japan the Country of the Future Again?
In the broad sense, surely not, if only because of demography: the Japanese combine a low birth rate with a deep cultural aversion to immigration, so the future role of Japan will be severely constrained by a shortage of Japanese.

But something very odd is happening on the short- to medium-term macroeconomic front. For the past three years macro policy all across the advanced world has been dominated by Austerian orthodoxy; even where there haven’t been explicit austerity policies, as in the United States, fear of deficits has led to de facto fiscal tightening, while monetary policy has fallen far short of the kind of dramatic expectation-changing moves theoretical analysis suggests are crucial to getting traction in a liquidity trap.

Now, one country seems to be breaking with the orthodoxy — and it is, surprisingly, Japan:

The Japanese government approved emergency stimulus spending of ¥10.3 trillion Friday, part of an aggressive push by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to kick-start growth in a long-moribund economy.

Mr. Abe also reiterated his desire for the Japanese central bank to make a firmer commitment to stopping deflation by pumping more money into the economy, which the prime minister has said is crucial to getting businesses to invest and consumers to spend.

“We will put an end to this shrinking and aim to build a stronger economy where earnings and incomes can grow,” Mr. Abe said. “For that, the government must first take the initiative to create demand and boost the entire economy.”
This is especially remarkable because Japan has been held up so often as a cautionary tale: look at how big their debt is! Disaster looms! Indeed, back in 2009 there were many stories to the effect that the long-awaited Japanese debt catastrophe was finally coming.

But, actually, not. Japanese long-term interest rates rose in the spring of 2009 because of hopes of recovery, not fear of bond vigilantes; and when those hopes faded, rates went back down, and are currently well under 1 percent.

Now comes Shinzo Abe. As Noah Smith informs us, he is not anybody’s idea of an economic hero; he’s a nationalist, a denier of World War II atrocities, a man with little obvious interest in economic policy. If he’s defying the orthodoxy, it probably reflects his general contempt for learned opinion rather than a considered embrace of heterodox theory.

But that may not matter. Abe may be ignoring the conventional wisdom on spending, and bullying the Bank of Japan, for all the wrong reasons — but the fact is that he is actually providing fiscal and monetary stimulus at a time when every other advanced-country government is too much in the thrall of the Very Serious People to do something different. And so far the results have been entirely positive: no spike in interest rates, but a sharp fall in the yen, which is a very good thing for Japan.

It will be a bitter irony if a pretty bad guy, with all the wrong motives, ends up doing the right thing economically, while all the good guys fail because they’re too determined to be, well, good guys. But that’s what happened in the 1930s, too …

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« Responder #43 em: 2013-01-11 19:19:25 »
será que esta narrativa se vai tornar um zombie tal como a hiperinflação que nos vai arruinar a todos?

desde 2009 que os suspeitos do costume andam a profetizar a catástrofe para o país do sol nascente.

já vamos com 4 anos de profecia.

vamos colocar alguns parâmetros nesta narrativa, tipo ano provável da desgraça e o que se entende por desgraça, ou vamos deixar isto em aberto, para o zombie poder caminhar livre para sempre?

quatro anos and counting...
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« Responder #44 em: 2013-01-11 19:21:49 »
parece que o krugman ja andava a desmontar a narrativa muito antes de ela chegar aqui ao nosso cantinho

4 anos and counting

Is Japan on the fiscal brink?
This article in today’s Times stresses the rise in government debt, which is true enough. But it’s important to realize that the bond market is conspicuously not worried.

Thus, when the article says

For jittery investors, Japan’s rising sea of debt is the stuff of nightmares: the possibility of an eventual sovereign debt crisis, where the country would be unable to pay some holders of its bonds, or a destabilizing collapse in the value of the yen.

In the immediate term, Mr. Fujii’s remarks prompted concerns of a supply glut in bond markets, sending prices on 10-year Japanese government bonds down 0.087 yen, to 99.56 yen, and yields to their highest point in six weeks.
it’s worth noticing what that 6-week high yield on 10-year bonds is: namely, 1.36%. That’s actually the lowest interest rate being paid by any advanced economy, two percentage points lower than Germany’s rate. If investors fear a default or a destabilizing collapse in the yen, that fear certainly isn’t reflected in Japan’s borrowing costs.

The reason Japanese bond yields are so low is, of course, that investors expect much lower inflation in Japan than elsewhere — in fact, the spread between ordinary bonds and inflation-linked bonds suggests that investors expect substantial deflation in Japan over the next five years, hardly what you’d see if they were worried about an imminent collapse in the yen.

Oh, and the CDS spread on Japanese debt is slightly higher than that of Germany, but nowhere near the levels of countries that are in clear and present fiscal danger.

So, is Japan on the fiscal brink? Mr. Market doesn’t seem to think so.
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« Responder #45 em: 2013-01-12 18:42:08 »
Worthwhile Japanese Initiative

Shinzo Abe has taken Japan off in a surprisingly Keynesian direction. Noah Smith points out, again, that he’s probably doing it for disreputable reasons, mainly old-fashioned LDP pork-barrel (katsu barrel? tofu barrel?) politics. But this may not matter.

Noah also raises a different point: does Japan really need a big boost? He points to the low measured unemployment rate; after a couple of decades of watching Japanese unemployment numbers, I don’t think that tells us much. But there is a case to be made that Japan’s economy is in better shape than most people believe. Overall GDP growth since the crisis has been roughly comparable to the euro area, but with far worse demography:


In fact, given that Japan’s working-age population is actually shrinking, there’s a reasonable argument to the effect that Japan is closer to potential output than the US.

But if Japan is doing relatively well in cyclical terms, it’s still far from clear that macroeconomic caution is appropriate. After all, Japan has a much longer-term monetary issue: persistent deflation, which among other things has meant that Japanese real interest rates have been well above those in the United States even though nominal rates are low. (I wrote about that here.)

What Japan needs, then, is to boot itself out of its deflationary trap; and a situation where there isn’t too much economic slack is actually a very good time to do that.

And here’s an important point that has gone remarkably unreported, except on a few financial blogs: something dramatic does seem to be happening on the expected inflation front. Here’s the 5-year breakeven, the spread between indexed and non-indexed bonds:


The big move actually came before Abe took office, maybe reflecting the sense that the political environment had changed and that the Bank of Japan’s freedom to impose monetary orthodoxy was about to end. Whatever caused it, this is a remarkable change — it’s the kind of upward move in inflation expectations advocates of radical monetary policy in the US can only dream of. And coupled with a fiscal boost, it could mean that Japan’s long deflationary era is finally coming to an end.

So while I very much dislike what Abe stands for on cultural issues, and take very seriously Noah Smith’s warning that he may be basically about patronage politics, none of that matters on the macro front; it sure looks as if Japan is, for whatever reason, doing the kinds of things an economy still stuck in the Lesser Depression should be doing.

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« Responder #46 em: 2013-01-12 21:30:02 »
Japan’s Teachable Moment

Whatever else you can say about the new turn in Japanese policy, it’s offering a great demonstration of the peculiarities of zero-lower-bound economics. (JGBs meet the ZLB, OK!)

The key point here is that Japanese short-term rates are hard up against zero. Long-term rates aren’t, but they’re still constrained: the long rate is, to a first approximation, the average of expected future short rates; short rates can go up but not down; so the long rate is kept some ways above zero, no matter how bad the current economy, by this one-way option. Long rates are also, as part of this process, fairly sticky, responding only slightly to changes in economic fundamentals. (Serious econowonks may recognize the affinity with the old target zones literature).

As a result, Japanese long rates have dropped much less than rates in other advanced countries:


And now that Japanese policy makers have, at least for now, managed to persuade markets that deflation will give rise to mild inflation, this has not been reflected at all in a rise in nominal interest rates; instead, it’s all a fall in real rates. In the figure below, from here, the orange line is the nominal rate on 10-year Japanese bonds; the green line the rate on inflation-indexed bonds; and the red line the implied forecast of inflation:


It’s actually quite beautiful, if you have an economist’s warped aesthetic sense. And it’s also very good news for Japan.
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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #47 em: 2013-01-13 17:30:33 »
ó Hermes, parece que o krugman se decidiu a esclarecer por completo, a questão japonesa, de própósito para ti.
mas tu vê lá!
qualquer coisa que não concordes, vai dizendo.

Notes on Japanese Numbers (Boring)
A bit of a backup, utility post, for those trying to keep track of these things.


First, about Japanese employment performance. I’ve been getting some comments from people who look at the FRED numbers of the employment-population ratio, which look like this:

1º gráfico

Catastrophe, right? Well, you want to read the fine print: the “working-age” population used here is everyone 16 and up — that is, it doesn’t correct for aging. If you use the ep ratio for Japanese aged 16-64, available from Eurostat, it looks like this:

2º gráfico

Kind of a different story.

Second, some people have been pointing out that the Japan breakeven, the implied inflation forecast from the spread between ordinary and inflation-linked bonds, behaved very erratically in 2008-2009, and they suggest that this casts doubt on the measure’s usefulness. But this isn’t a uniquely Japanese phenomenon: the same thing happened to the US breakeven. And we know why: in the immediate post-Lehman environments, anything that wasn’t hugely liquid, including indexed bonds, sold at a huge discount. There’s no reason to believe that recent breakevens are anything like that unreliable.

And we have good reason to believe that something important really has happened to Japanese expectations — namely, the sharp depreciation of the yen:

3º gráfico

In a way, recent developments can be seen as a demonstration of a point I’ve tried to make about bond vigilantes: even if they show up, they won’t drive interest rates up, they’ll drive the dollar down, which is a good thing. In Japan’s case, you can think of what’s happening as a growing belief on the part of investors that Japan will end up inflating away part of its debt. This has led to a currency drop; it has *not* led to an interest rate spike:

4º gráfico

Anyway, that’s what you need to know.
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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #48 em: 2013-01-13 17:35:59 »
Uma quebra da moeda só pode ser sustentada se em algum ponto existir inflação, senão a PPP (paridade do poder de compra, purchasing power parity) acaba por fazer a moeda oscilar, não a deixa ir "muito" longe.
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« Responder #49 em: 2013-01-13 17:55:52 »
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In a way, recent developments can be seen as a demonstration of a point I’ve tried to make about bond vigilantes: even if they show up, they won’t drive interest rates up, they’ll drive the dollar down, which is a good thing. In Japan’s case, you can think of what’s happening as a growing belief on the part of investors that Japan will end up inflating away part of its debt. This has led to a currency drop; it has *not* led to an interest rate spike:
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« Responder #50 em: 2013-01-19 15:45:30 »
"Detonating The Japanese Debt Time Bomb" With Kyle Bass

by Tyler Durden
on 01/18/2013 19:30 -0500

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-18/detonating-japanese-debt-time-bomb-kyle-bass

The hyper-correlation of Japanese stocks and the JPY have led many to believe that Abe's miracle promise will be just the ticket to bring the nation's two-decade slump to an end - a 2% inflation target is all you need. However, in a brief CNBC interview, Kyle Bass explains that not only are 99.9% of people wrong about the crisis (explaining the critical aspect of the abrupt turn of twenty years of the 'procylicality of thought' - that deflation is the norm), but Abe's actions have actually brought forward the date of the "detonation of Japan's Debt Time Bomb.

It is the Japanese institutions that own JGBs and they own them at meager rates of interest simply because of the ingrained belief in deflation; when the government begins to target 2% inflation, the swing in forward expectations (he notes to monitor inflation swap breakevens) will be the trigger for Japan's implosion. Bass warns that "Japanese debt is around 24x central government tax revenue and when you sail into the zone of insolvency, nothing you can do will help," though he realizes that calling the end of the 70-year debt super-cyle to a specific date is naive, he does expect the 'bomb' to explode within 18 month to two years.

All of the components for this [bomb] to go off 'all of a sudden' are in place. The clock has started on the qualitative shift in participants' minds that the situation is untenable as the realization that Japan spends 25% of revenue on interest now - and with higher rates (via this supposed inflation) the entire situation becomes farcical as every 1% rise in their cost of capital (or rates) costs them another 25% of revenue!.

On JPY devaluation - The signs are already there that elites are exiting the JPY - with recent M&A transactions - he warns. 20% of exports go to China; this could be halved given the tensions, and a JPY devaluation is not going to restore the competitiveness of that secular decline.

On Japanese stocks - The people buying Japanese stocks, are picking up dimes in front of a bulldozer.

Bass goes on to discuss the US Housing stabilization, European stress, and China's economic opacity.
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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #51 em: 2013-01-19 17:15:22 »
18 meses a dois anos.
ok, cá estaremos para ver.

um pormenor: a inflação faz decrescer a dívida, não a faz aumentar.embora o senhor 'ameace' que o serviço da dívida vai aumentar por via da inflação.
os japoneses vão desinflacionar a dívida através de inflação moderada. não o contrário. mas pode estar a aescpar-me alguma coisa aqui.

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« Responder #52 em: 2013-01-19 17:52:23 »
um pormenor: a inflação faz decrescer a dívida, não a faz aumentar.embora o senhor 'ameace' que o serviço da dívida vai aumentar por via da inflação.

Um pormenor. Não obstante a inflação positiva em Portugal, a nossa dívida não para de aumentar ainda mais.

É uma questão de velocidades [algumas coisas vão dos zero aos cem mais depressa do que outras]. Por exemplo, os gastos com os juros estão a aumentar mais depressa do que a poupança com a erosão da dívida pela inflação em Portugal. A médio/longo prazo, atingir-se-á a situação que dizes, porém o problema não está no destino, mas sim no trajecto.
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« Responder #53 em: 2013-01-19 19:18:59 »
um pormenor: a inflação faz decrescer a dívida, não a faz aumentar.embora o senhor 'ameace' que o serviço da dívida vai aumentar por via da inflação.

Um pormenor. Não obstante a inflação positiva em Portugal, a nossa dívida não para de aumentar ainda mais.

É uma questão de velocidades [algumas coisas vão dos zero aos cem mais depressa do que outras]. Por exemplo, os gastos com os juros estão a aumentar mais depressa do que a poupança com a erosão da dívida pela inflação em Portugal. A médio/longo prazo, atingir-se-á a situação que dizes, porém o problema não está no destino, mas sim no trajecto.

estamos a falar do Japão, um país com moeda própria que pode atingir a inflação que pretender no espaço de tempo que pretender.
nós, não podemos fazer nada.
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« Responder #54 em: 2013-01-21 15:18:32 »
não é só sobre o Japão (talvez só a partir de metade do video) mas é muito interessante
(The video's owner prevents external embedding)
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« Responder #55 em: 2013-01-22 12:00:02 »
não é só sobre o Japão (talvez só a partir de metade do video) mas é muito interessante

AC2012 The Engtanglement KB


Já o tinha visto o ano passado e de facto é interessante. Só é pena não mostrar os gráficos.
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« Responder #56 em: 2013-01-22 12:03:18 »
Tio Sam, os japoneses bateram-me!  :D

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U.S. Carmakers Urge Obama to Punish Japan for Weak Yen

By Brian Wingfield
On Jan 18, 2013 2:16 AM GMT

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-17/u-s-carmakers-urge-obama-to-punish-japan-for-weak-yen.html

President Barack Obama should tell Japan’s new government that the U.S. will retaliate for policies aimed at weakening the yen, a group representing Ford Motor Co. (F), General Motors Co. (GM) and Chrysler LLC said.

Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party, which reclaimed power last month, has let the yen continue its slide against the dollar, making U.S. auto exports relatively expensive, the American Automotive Policy Council said yesterday in a statement.

“We urge the Obama administration to make it clear to Japan that such policies are unacceptable and will be met by reciprocal measures,” Matt Blunt, a former Republican governor of Missouri and president of the Washington-based industry group, said in the statement.

U.S. automakers have said the undervalued yen distorts trade and stunts job growth for American manufacturers. The group has said Japan should be blocked from joining Pacific- region trade talks that include the U.S. until the Asian nation’s auto market is more open to foreign competition.

The yen has declined 14 percent against the dollar since Sept. 13 and fell to a 30-month low against the U.S. currency on Jan. 10. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has pledged to weaken the yen to boost his nation’s economic growth..

Japan is “determined to repeat the ‘beggar thy neighbor’ policies of the past,” Blunt said.

The group wrote Obama three days before the start of his second term. His administration bailed out General Motors and Chrysler in 2010 and has made Asia a focus of U.S. trade policy.

“We want the yen to be at an appropriate level,” Hirokazu Furukawa, a spokesman for Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, said by phone today. He declined to comment on the American Automotive Policy Council statement.
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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #57 em: 2013-01-22 15:19:44 »
A falta de vergonha não tem limites. Acham muito bem o seu país imprimir e não querem que os outros façam o mesmo. É óbvio que isto vai tender para uma desvalorização generalizada das moedas, e logo inflacção. E se calhar vai ser da forte, não vai ser uma coisinha.


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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #58 em: 2013-01-22 15:42:03 »
A falta de vergonha não tem limites. Acham muito bem o seu país imprimir e não querem que os outros façam o mesmo. É óbvio que isto vai tender para uma desvalorização generalizada das moedas, e logo inflacção. E se calhar vai ser da forte, não vai ser uma coisinha.

vai ser à volta de 2%. um pouco mais talvez. uma inflação benigna de até 5% é perfeitamente aceitável para tirar a economia do buraco e diminuir o desemprego.
o problema é o desemprego. não é o trabalho que os pobres riquinhos vão ter que ter para pôr o seu dinheiro a mexer e a render, quando confrontados com inflação.

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Re:O país da (hiper)inflação nascente
« Responder #59 em: 2013-01-22 16:53:09 »
Japan Steps Out
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 13, 2013

For three years economic policy throughout the advanced world has been paralyzed, despite high unemployment, by a dismal orthodoxy. Every suggestion of action to create jobs has been shot down with warnings of dire consequences. If we spend more, the Very Serious People say, the bond markets will punish us. If we print more money, inflation will soar. Nothing should be done because nothing can be done, except ever harsher austerity, which will someday, somehow, be rewarded.

But now it seems that one major nation is breaking ranks — and that nation is, of all places, Japan.

This isn’t the maverick we were looking for. In Japan governments come and governments go, but nothing ever seems to change — indeed, Shinzo Abe, the new prime minister, has had the job before, and his party’s victory was widely seen as the return of the “dinosaurs” who misruled the country for decades. Furthermore, Japan, with its huge government debt and aging population, was supposed to have even less room for maneuver than other advanced countries.

But Mr. Abe returned to office pledging to end Japan’s long economic stagnation, and he has already taken steps orthodoxy says we mustn’t take. And the early indications are that it’s going pretty well.

Some background: Long before the 2008 financial crisis plunged America and Europe into a deep and prolonged economic slump, Japan held a dress rehearsal in the economics of stagnation. When a burst stock and real estate bubble pushed Japan into recession, the policy response was too little, too late and too inconsistent.

To be sure, there was a lot of spending on public works, but the government, worried about debt, always pulled back before a solid recovery could get established, and by the late 1990s persistent deflation was already entrenched. In the early 2000s the Bank of Japan, the counterpart of the Federal Reserve, tried to fight deflation by printing a lot of money. But it, too, pulled back at the first hint of improvement, and the deflation never went away.

That said, Japan never had the kind of employment and human disaster we’ve experienced since 2008. Indeed, our policy response has been so inadequate that I’ve suggested that American economists who used to be very harsh in their condemnations of Japanese policy, a group that includes Ben Bernanke and, well, me, visit Tokyo to apologize to the emperor. We have, after all, done even worse.

And there’s another lesson in Japan’s experience: While getting out of a prolonged slump turns out to be very difficult, that’s mainly because it’s hard getting policy makers to accept the need for bold action. That is, the problem is mainly political and intellectual, rather than strictly economic. For the risks of action are much smaller than the Very Serious People want you to believe.

Consider, in particular, the alleged dangers of debt and deficits. Here in America, we are constantly warned that we must slash spending now now now or we’ll turn into Greece, Greece I tell you. But Greece, a country without a currency, doesn’t look much like the United States; surely Japan offers a more relevant model. And while doomsayers keep predicting a fiscal crisis in Japan, hyping each uptick in interest rates as a sign of the imminent apocalypse, it keeps not happening: Japan’s government can still borrow long term at a rate of less than 1 percent.

Enter Mr. Abe, who has been pressuring the Bank of Japan into seeking higher inflation — in effect, helping to inflate away part of the government’s debt — and has also just announced a large new program of fiscal stimulus. How have the market gods responded?

The answer is, it’s all good. Market measures of expected inflation, which were negative not long ago — the market was expecting deflation to continue — have now moved well into positive territory. But government borrowing costs have hardly changed at all; given the prospect of moderate inflation, this means that Japan’s fiscal outlook has actually improved sharply. True, the foreign-exchange value of the yen has fallen considerably — but that’s actually very good news, and Japanese exporters are cheering.

In short, Mr. Abe has thumbed his nose at orthodoxy, with excellent results.

Now, people who know something about Japanese politics warn me not to think of Mr. Abe as a good guy. His foreign policy, they tell me, is very bad, and his support for stimulus may have more to do with old-fashioned pork-barrel (tofu barrel?) politics than with a sophisticated rejection of conventional wisdom.

But none of that may matter. Whatever his motives, Mr. Abe is breaking with a bad orthodoxy. And if he succeeds, something remarkable may be about to happen: Japan, which pioneered the economics of stagnation, may also end up showing the rest of us the way out.

krugman
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Ian Mclaren
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So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.
Franklin D. Roosevelt