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Já existe um tópico aberto, mas decidi abrir outro tópico mais especializado com yields negativas.

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Over $9tn of bonds trade with negative yields 

How central banks created the most curious legacy of the financial crisis


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   Central banks’ response to the financial crisis turned the normal rules of the bond market upside down. Bondholders typically expect to be paid interest to make up for the risk they might not be paid back. Yet trillions of dollars of debt is trading at prices so high that the yield is negative; buyers of the bonds who hold them to maturity are guaranteed to lose money.Led by the US Federal Reserve, central banks have themselves become huge buyers of bonds, driving up prices and pushing yields below zero. This policy of quantitative easing was meant to reduce interest rates for business and personal borrowers, stimulate growth, buoy inflation and force money managers out of safe haven investments.


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   From less than $1tn in 2007, the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet has more than quadrupled in size. As the financial crisis spread to Europe and Japan, the European Central Bank, Bank of Japan and Bank of England joined in the expansion. All told, the balance sheets of the four central banks have surpassed $14tn. With the Swiss National Bank and Sweden’s Riksbank, that figure climbs to $15tn and accounts for a fifth of the six countries’ total government debt.Along with central bank interest rate cuts — including setting unprecedented negative rates in Europe and Japan — the bond-buying programmes explain why $9tn still trades with a negative yield, and why sub-zero rates are a reality that investors likely have to contend with for years to come.Was the expansion of central bank balance sheets critical to the resolution of the financial crisis and to the global economic recovery? Share your thoughts in the comments below.


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Outro bom artigo.


Negative-yielding bonds: Why buy them? Why sell them? 

Henkel and Sanofi broke new ground this week in selling negative-yielding bonds in Europe


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   This week two public companies took free euros offered to them by investors, when they became the first to sell bonds with a negative yield-to-maturity. Henkel, a German maker of Persil laundry detergent, sold €500m of two-year bonds with a yield of minus 0.05 per cent while Sanofi, a French pharmaceuticals manufacturer, sold €1bn of three-and-a-half year debt with a yield of minus 0.05 per cent.Some eurozone government bonds have traded at prices which imply negative yields for two years, but lending to companies is supposed to be much more risky. The sales from Henkel and Sanofi are the latest step in an incremental process where more and more risky types of debt start to be sold at negative yields.How can debt be negative yielding?A bond is a promise to pay a principal and a coupon. Principal is what lenders get when the debt is repaid, while the coupon is a regular interest payment due to the bondholder. As coupons and principal payments are fixed at the time of issue, the market price of the bond will fluctuate depending on how attractive its income is when compared with other bonds. An investor may pay £110 for debt with a face value of £100.The way bonds are compared in the market is by their yield, the effective income from buying the bond at its current price. So the higher the price, the lower the yield. For negative yielding bonds, the market price is greater than the remaining coupon and principal payments. If an investor holds the bond until it matures, they will lose money.



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   Why would people buy negative yielding debt?The European Central Bank cut its deposit rate below zero for the first time in 2014. This is the amount commercial banks are paid (or rather, they now pay) on money they leave overnight at the central bank. Banks have passed this cost on to customers, particularly companies and pension funds with large account balances. In March, the ECB cut the deposit rate even lower, to minus 0.4 per cent. The cost of leaving their cash on deposit with a bank has led companies and investors to seek out other safe assets. Bonds with negative yields become attractive, so long as these yields are less punitive than those for keeping cash in the bank. Short-dated investment grade corporate bonds, while still offering negative yields, pay more than cash (and government bonds) as well as being relatively safe. Additionally, some investors may speculate that yields can fall even further, which will push up the prices of corporate bonds. So investors in the Henkel and Sanofi bonds may be able to sell them on at an even higher price later. One reason to think yields could go lower it that the ECB is buying corporate bonds. One of the criteria for bonds being eligible for such purchases is they must yield more than the ECB’s deposit rate of minus 0.4 per cent, leaving room for the central bank to change its criteria and buy debt with a more negative yield. What does the ECB hope to achieve?The ECB’s ultimate goal is to boost inflation and growth in the eurozone. By lowering the cost of financing it can help persuade companies to spend more money and directly lift demand. However corporate treasurers say that small changes in the interest rate are unlikely to make much difference to their investment or strategic plans like acquiring a competitor.But the ECB also has in mind something called the “portfolio rebalancing effect” which means investors shifting their asset holdings away from very safe and unproductive assets, like cash, into riskier assets like corporate debt.Having cash is a problem for banks, investors and companies as this means finding something to do with it and passing it on to someone else to spend.And now Henkel and Sanofi themselves have this problem. Having sold negative yielding debt, they now hold even more deeply negative-yielding cash on their balance sheets. While they are being paid to borrow, they pay even more to save.





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Outro artigo interessante.

Trading Secrets: One Rate to Rule Them All

Rather than listen to what prices are saying, central banks prefer to talk. Asset prices are told to levitate, interest rates are commanded to kowtow, and product markets are told to walk faster. The happy result of all this orchestration is supposed to be steady growth and a stable financial system. However, the precision with which central banks direct the clouds is very much at odds with the tumult of market realities. Prices are continually ebbing and flowing as preferences shift, as capacity and demand seek to balance one another, and as new information is injected into the marketplace. Even were an august body of central bankers able to determine the “right” level for stocks, bonds, real-estate, and inflation, the answers would be wrong the moment after they had been right. In other times and places, central planners tied themselves up in knots calculating production schedules and setting prices that could have been readily revealed by a functioning market. Central planning proved to be an utter failure not because the planners weren’t smart, but because no one is smart enough to know what is or will become the mutating matrix of desires that reside within the heads of millions of consumers, savers, borrowers, and investors. Monetary policy is predicated on counting everything that can be counted while ignoring the individual preferences that really count. Prices established through the normal course “negotiation” of buyers and sellers reflect real preferences; any other price is an artifice. Investors who are basing their retirement expectations on the supposed omniscience of central bankers may want to think again.

Case in point Europe. Hoping to stimulate something, the European Cental Bank (ECB) has driven some 2.6 Trillion euros worth of sovereign debt into negative yields. These negative yields have slammed the euro, effectively cutting the global price and wage of everything and everybody in the Eurozone (EZ). So, the ECB “gets” the fact that wages and prices in the EZ are uncompetitive. But rather than grounding its policies in reality, the ECB has used QE to contrive a fantastical rate structure. Were markets allowed to operate freely, the result would be that EZ prices and wages would adjust lower in search of proper market clearing levels. Rather than accept that sometimes prices need to go down as well as up, the ECB uses QE to arrest necessary market price adjustments. Why? Because the ECB, like their brethren central bankers elsewhere refuse to hear the markets and further equate deflation with economic annihilation. But, economic growth and deflation have gone hand-in-hand before (e.g., in the U.S. in the mid-1950s) and, more to the point, the “theory” that says consumers will just stop buying when prices fall is belied by the everyday experience of computers, smartphones, airline travel, and gasoline. Deflation is a price signal telling us that there is an excess of capacity over demand. Sure, demand can be temporarily boosted by fiddling with interest rates; but sooner or later rates have to return to market levels. So the ECB is left with a choice: let prices and wages fall to levels commensurate with the productivity of the European worker or indefinitely enable the excess capacity problem the market is trying to fix.

Where did central banks get the notion that artificial interest rates can cure fundamental economic maladies? If the productivity of a workforce cannot validate a wage rate, no amount of cheap credit is going to alter that reality. Europe is 19 countries, one low rate, and yet Germany and Austria sit pretty with unemployment at 5-6% while Spain and Greece wallow in a depressionary milieu. To argue that the ECB should go on falsifying rates fearing that deflation would make matters “worse” in peripheral Europe, begs the question: how much worse might it get? More to the point, if growth were a function of policy rates, how could unemployment levels be so radically different within the same monetary zone? Yet, Germany’s relative prosperity is no mystery: Germany’s constellation of labor and capital is competitive in a way that Greece’s are not. Hence, German factories service their “fair share” of global aggregate demand while factories in Greece and Spain languish. Central bankers can go on “manufacturing” aggregate demand, but the simple truth is that demand will be satisfied by the efficient producer, not the uncompetitive supplier.

Many draw a distinction between the dysfunctions of Europe with the hope and promise of central banking in the New World. Yet, market principles work precisely because they reflect universal human realities. When the trumpets blew for QE and zero rates at the Fed, the supporters of such policies called for a “recovery summer” in 2010, an “exit strategy” in 2011, a 6.5% unemployment “trigger” in 2012, a “taper” in 2013, and maybe, just maybe a rate hike in 2015. The Fed has become a study in cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, the Fed tells us that its policies are working. On the other hand, the Fed frets that after six years and trillions in balance sheet expansion, the policies aren’t working well enough to get off the zero bound.

But aren’t lower rates better than higher, you say? Aren’t they “stimulative” and lead to better outcomes? In effect, doesn’t the Fed know better than the market how much and at what price credit should flow? Such foundational misunderstandings conflate the loanable funds market (which the Fed controls) with the market for real capital resources (which marches to the beat of a market drummer). Interest rates – like all prices – are not arbitrary constructs. Prices that are either too high or too low, by definition, lead to suboptimal outcomes. The Fed’s control over loanable funds does not re-arrange economic reality. The elasticity of actual resources such as skilled labor, patents, concrete, electricity, etc. is far lower than the elasticity of electronic excess reserves created by the Fed. Resources do not simply expand because there are more claims on those resources! And, to use a scarce resource one way is to preclude its use in another way. This means that there are real opportunity costs associated with all activities. Pretending that scarce resources are free for the taking only means that the “rationing” of those resources ceases to be based upon market precepts. Rather, allocation preferentially shifts to those sectors (e.g., housing) that Fed policies favor. And, distorting resource allocation hampers growth even as it encourages a bull market in malinvestments.

While we may all hope that this global experiment in extreme central banking will end well, hope has never been a great predicate for an investment. The consequences of central bankers using their One rate of Power to control Planet Earth’s growth and inflation may prove as rueful as that One ring did in Middle-Earth.



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este artigo é bastante bom e de fácil leitura.

Why investors buy bonds with negative yields

https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/02/economist-explains-6

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Precisava do racional da  ideia...

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Precisava do racional da  ideia...


Não percebo nada de trading de obrigações com yields negativas, é algo hot e quem transaciona não paga impostos.


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O inicio.

The fast growing market of negative yield bonds I Short View

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SySkP8xLMf0

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Uma empresa que tenha bastante cash pode ganhar muito mais dinheiro tendo obrigações com yields negativas, por exemplo :

uma empresa tem cash de 1,5 Biliões de euros, lança 1 bilião de dólares em obrigações a empresa compra as obrigações por ela emitidas e vai empurrando -as para yields negativas mesmo pagando a empresa paga -se a ela própria com as yields negativas, a empresa ganha porque os investidores vêm que as yields das obrigações da empresa estão negativas e ganha se algum passarito  ( investidor ) compra obrigações .

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Vivemos numa época de valorização de ativos quem tem ativos eles valorizam -se.

Por exemplo.

Um agricultor tinha um olival e quase não dava para pagar a mão de obra, vivemos num tempo onde uma agência lhe paga para ele deixar os turistas apanhar a azeitona que lhe dão depois.

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Este artigo é de 2002.


Buffett's Negative-Interest Issues Sell Well

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/23/business/buffett-s-negative-interest-issues-sell-well.html



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Re: DAY TRADING de Obrigações com Yields Negativas - chat e artigos
« Responder #10 em: 2017-11-27 17:37:24 »
Precisava do racional da  ideia...


Não percebo nada de trading de obrigações com yields negativas, é algo hot e quem transaciona não paga impostos.

Quem transacciona não paga impostos! Será que o Estado não está a ver bem a coisa?
O mutuário recebe 100 e promete pagar 100 na maturidade, desde que todos os anos
debite o mutuante de i euros sobre o dinheiro que este último haja emprestado, i.e.,

é como uma espécie de comissão de depósito pela guarda do dinheiro que o dito mutuante
não quer guardar em cofre nem depositar num banco. Portanto, o emitente da dívida devia pagar imposto por isso.

E os endossos intermédios de cada título antes do vencimento não pagam imposto nenhum!?

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Re: DAY TRADING de Obrigações com Yields Negativas - chat e artigos
« Responder #11 em: 2017-11-27 18:44:21 »
Não percebo nada de trading de obrigações com yields negativas, é algo hot e quem transaciona não paga impostos.
Por acaso um particular até pode pagar imposto, isto apesar de ter uma yield negativa.
Basta ter menos valias entre o valor de compra e reembolso, mas pagar 28% sobre os juros que receber. Como são categorias diferentes no IRS (G e E) e não há a consolidação das mesmas, acaba por ter uma yield negativa e ainda pagar imposto.
« Última modificação: 2017-11-27 18:44:45 por Automek »

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Re: DAY TRADING de Obrigações com Yields Negativas - chat e artigos
« Responder #12 em: 2017-12-04 12:31:03 »

The fast growing market of negative yield bonds I Short View 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SySkP8xLMf0
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