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« Responder #20 em: 2015-12-12 17:10:57 »


O Mundo atual:

- Donald Trump diz disparates: os media e guardiões da moral crticam

- Tsipras, Krugman, Corby, etc... dizem disparates: os media e os guardiões da moral
aplaudem

Estas discussões acerca das dinâmicas Sociais do séc XXI estão inquinadas à partida.

O fascismo de esquerda está a ganhar força e quer obrigar o normal a ser uma minoria.

a falácia da simetria...

'a direita diz disparates mas a esquerda também.
são iguais só que sinal diferente.
'

o trump diz enormes disparates; a hillary não diz; o sanders não diz.
não há simetria.

a extrema-direita americana (praticamente não existe direita moderada) unipolarizou os disparates; unipolarizou a xenofobia, a misoginia, o racismo e acima de tudo o bullshiting.

não há simetria.

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Re: Donald J. Trump
« Responder #21 em: 2015-12-12 17:48:42 »
Mapa dos Estados dos EUA segundo o partido político que apoia o respectivo governador, vermelho é Republicano, azul é Democrata e verde é Independente.


os estados com imigrantes do arizona e texas  Florida sao republicanos

ate Bush fala espanhol  :D

O Donald Trump faz dos outros moderados
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Democracia Socialista Democrata. igualdade de quem berra mais O que é meu é meu o que é teu é nosso

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« Responder #22 em: 2015-12-12 18:45:46 »
quanto ao Trump - pessoa. É um con artist.
Isto que ele está a fazer não é mais do que a promoção do produto 'The Donald'.
Ele próprio não acredita em mais de metade das coisas que diz.
Os pollsters dizem-lhe que parte do público está cheio de medo: dos mexicanos, dos árabes, dos sírios, da modernidade, de tudo e mais alguma coisa...
E ele apela a esses medos todos. É simples.

Com a notoriedade que tinha antes disto, fez um show com bastante êxito: The Apprentice.

Com a notoriedade que vai ganhar depois deste carnaval eleitoral, fica com uma capacidade negocial enorme, gigantesca, no que respeita às grandes produtoras televisivas.

E vai concerteza ter um show muito mais lucrativo do que o apprentice foi.

Isto, porque os negócios imobiliários dele nunca deram nada que se visse.
O pai deixou-lhe uma fortuna e ninguém faz ideia de quanto ele ainda tem; pensa-se que está falido há muito tempo. daí os shows televisivos.

politicamente... está-se borrifando. a realidade política dele deve andar à volta do centro, talvez até um pouco para a esquerda (no contexto americano).

o que ele defende na campanha... é ditado pelos surveys. 'de que é que os americanos brancos têm mais medo?' e ele vá de apelar a esse medo.
se as polls dissessem que o medo du jour era de borboletas, ele declarava imediatamente que só ele podia exterminar as borboletas e que iria construir uma rede 'so big!' que nenhuma conseguiria escapar.

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« Responder #23 em: 2015-12-12 19:32:09 »
http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/donald-trump-destronado-nas-sondagens-do-partido-republicano-1713219

Ben Carson, um neurocirgião reformado que comparou o Obamacare à escravatura, ultrapassou o milionário numa sondagem NBC/The Wall Street Journal.

voto contra sistema  e popular
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« Responder #24 em: 2015-12-12 21:30:45 »
http://www.publico.pt/mundo/noticia/donald-trump-destronado-nas-sondagens-do-partido-republicano-1713219

Ben Carson, um neurocirgião reformado que comparou o Obamacare à escravatura, ultrapassou o milionário numa sondagem NBC/The Wall Street Journal.

voto contra sistema  e popular


isso são old news (3 de Novembro).
entretanto o Trump já recuperou o primeiro lugar e o Carson está numa tendência de desaparecimento...
para andar em cima disto tem que ser diariamente.
num mês as coisas alteram-se radicalmente.

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« Responder #25 em: 2015-12-13 17:48:39 »
"I AM YOUR FATHER, MTF"

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« Responder #26 em: 2015-12-15 16:35:51 »
Poll: Donald Trump leads GOP field with widest margin so far

Donald Trump's lead over the Republican field has widened to its largest margin so far in a new poll taken after his proposal to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the U.S.

A new national Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday found that Trump attracted 38 percent support from registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. Ted Cruz moved into second, with 15 percent, twice what his support was last month.

Marco Rubio of Florida and Ben Carson each earned 12 percent support in the survey -- Carson's numbers dropped by about half over the past month. Jeb Bush received 5 percent among registered Republicans.

On Monday, a Monmouth University poll similarly found Trump expanding his lead, with 41 percent of GOP voters backing Trump for president, up 13 percentage points since mid-October. That poll also had Ted Cruz in second place.


The Post-ABC poll found that in a general election matchup Trump would trail Democratic frontrunner by 50 percent to 44 percent among registered voters.

Just 29 percent of Americans said they would feel comfortable with Trump as president, versus 47 percent who would feel comfortable with Clinton in the top office. Sixty-nine percent of adults said they would feel anxious if Trump were president.

The Washington Post pointed out that even though the first voting contest is less than 50 days out, "national polls are not always the reliable predictors of where presidential nominating contests are heading." Newt Gingrich was tied with Mitt Romney at this point four years ago. In December 2007, Rudy Giuliani and Hillary led the field at this time in national polls, and neither of them won the nomination of their respective parties.

The Post-ABC poll was conducted Thursday through Sunday Dec. 10-13 among a random national sample of 1,002 adults reached on conventional and cellular telephones. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. The error margin is plus or minus six points among the sample of 362 Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters.

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Re: Donald J. Trump
« Responder #27 em: 2015-12-15 17:14:01 »
Será que vão mesmo nomear o Trump?

Quem devia ficar satisfeito seriam os Democratas, isso mais ou menos garantiria a presidência à Hillary.
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein

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« Responder #28 em: 2015-12-15 17:27:56 »
Será que vão mesmo nomear o Trump?

Quem devia ficar satisfeito seriam os Democratas, isso mais ou menos garantiria a presidência à Hillary.

Os democratas ficam satisfeitos mas nada comparável com a depressão dos republicanos.
a nomeação do trump seria um atestado de óbito ao GOP.
a direita dividir-se-ia entre extrema direita e direita moderada, o sistema passaria a ser tri-partidário e nunca mais a américa veria um presidente republicano em washington.

trump, carson ou cruz dá igual.

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« Responder #29 em: 2015-12-15 17:40:40 »
Não creio que se dividam, é uma fase que lhes passa. Aquilo flutua, como os Democratas flutuam.

Os Democratas eram uns facínoras há pouco mais de meio século atrás. Se estes passarem uns anos doidos não é nada de novo.
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« Responder #30 em: 2015-12-15 18:18:47 »
do lado dos republicanos parecem qs todos loucos, eh assustador

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« Responder #31 em: 2015-12-15 18:22:03 »
do lado dos republicanos parecem qs todos loucos, eh assustador

estão a assassinar o partido. se um extremista ganha a nomeação - a eleição nunca ganhará - RIP GOP.

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« Responder #32 em: 2015-12-16 10:29:04 »
Mas quando nao ganham eleições voltam a olhar uns para os outros e a perguntar como se ganha isto? E a resposta é voltando ao centro.
Nao é diferente da atracão momentânea do centro-esquerda europeu pela extrema esquerda, daqui a uns anos voltam a ganhar juízo e a voltar ao centro.
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« Responder #33 em: 2015-12-16 12:26:21 »
Mas quando nao ganham eleições voltam a olhar uns para os outros e a perguntar como se ganha isto? E a resposta é voltando ao centro.
Nao é diferente da atracão momentânea do centro-esquerda europeu pela extrema esquerda, daqui a uns anos voltam a ganhar juízo e a voltar ao centro.

o partido poderá voltar ao centro-direita (no contexto americano; cá é direita direita).
este pessoal é que não volta. e sem esta base não ganham eleições.
ficando para trás este eleitorado, aparecerá sempre alguém que apele a este segmento.
daí a possibilidade do terceiro partido.

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« Responder #34 em: 2015-12-16 12:39:39 »
Eu sei que é um pouco polémico...mas faz falta um Trump em Portugal...um gajo avariado dos cornos, que ao mesmo tempo fosse muito populista e reunisse pelo menos 5ou 7% dos votos à direita...era uma maneira de meter o pcp, be e ala radical do ps na linha.

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« Responder #35 em: 2015-12-16 12:43:15 »
Can This Really Be Donald Trump’s Republican Party?

John Feehery, a prominent Republican lobbyist with roots on the South Side of Chicago, understands that he embodies the Republican predicament.

He warns that while the party’s establishment used to be able to call the shots when it came to the selection of presidential nominees,

We are now living in a post-recession world where fundamental assumptions have changed. In this new reality, Republicans can’t just do the bidding of big donors. Our guys are too in tune with donors and not with the concerns of regular voters. Donald Trump has tapped into a new reality.

Raised in a middle-class Irish-Catholic family, Feehery graduated from Marquette in 1986 and rose quickly in the ranks of the party. His most prominent jobs were as communications director for the former House majority leader Tom DeLay and later for House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

Since giving up work as a staffer in 2005, Feehery, 52, has done well. He is president of the public relations arm of QGA Public Affairs, a major Washington lobbying firm. QGA’s clients include AT&T, United States Steel, State Farm and Zurich Financial Services.

Feehery believes that as Democrats have made gains among well-educated and relatively affluent whites, Republicans “have to rely much more on the white working class than on white upper middle-class voters.”

When I asked Feehery what the party needed to do to get back on track, he paused and said, “I’m not sure it’s fixable.”

Despite what liberals might think, Trump’s success in capitalizing on voter animosity to immigration and to political correctness has shocked many conservative Republicans.

Matthew Continetti, the editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon, warned in a column on Dec. 11, “The Party Divides: A Trump nomination would be the end of the GOP”:

Homegrown terrorism, demographic panic, racial tension, income stagnation, and Trump’s persona may catalyze a political realignment along the lines we have seen before in our politics and see currently in Europe’s.

Continetti goes on to ask:

Have conservatives and Republicans thought through what would happen next? What choices we might have to make? Or are we too afraid to acknowledge the possibility that the movement and party to which we belong is no longer our own?

Reihan Salam, executive editor of National Review, told The New Yorker:

Trump is not someone I consider an ideal candidate — he does not represent my line of thinking. But he is proving that certain beliefs the professional political class had about who Republican primary voters are — what they respond to, what they care about — were just incorrect.

For those on the traditional right, one of the most infuriating aspects of Trump’s ascendance is the sense that a man described by Jeb Bush, according to Politico, as “a buffoon” and a “clown,” has wrested control of their party, an institution they have spent five decades turning into the home of principled ideologues.

Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, looks at Donald Trump and does not see a conservative. Together with Ramesh Ponnuru, a senior editor, Lowry wrote in the October 19 essay “Trump Wrongs the Right” that Trump:

basically never says “freedom” or “liberty.” He gives no indication of caring about the Constitution. He talks only sparingly about the federal debt. He has, in short, ignored central and longstanding conservative tenets that seemed to have become only more important in the tea-party era — and he has not only gotten away with it, but thrived.

Although “Trump is not a conservative and does not deserve conservatives’ support, Republicans can nonetheless learn from him,” Lowry and Ponnuru write.

He has exposed and widened the fissures on the American right. If conservatives are to thrive, they must figure out how to respond creatively, sensibly, and honorably to the public impulses he has so carelessly exploited.

Lowry and Ponnuru make a point similar to Feehery’s:

The fact that Trump’s polling did not suffer even a modest drop after his soak-the-rich comments should tell other Republicans that the priorities of the donors they meet at fundraisers are not the same as those of the voters whose support they need.

Trump, the survivor of many financial ups and downs — including four Chapter 11 corporate bankruptcies – has emerged as uniquely positioned to capitalize on the thwarted aspirations and economic vulnerability of much of the electorate.

The extended aftermath of the financial collapse of 2008 has given Trump the opportunity to exploit a political opening: the shift to the right that predictably follows such crises. A recent research paper, “Going to Extremes: Politics After Financial Crises, 1870-2014,” argues that financial crises like the Great Depression of the 1930s and the recent prolonged recession push voters in a conservative direction and allow right-wing parties in Europe to flourish.

The authors, Manuel Funke, Moritz Schularick and Christoph Trebesch, all European economists, report that under such circumstances,

Votes for far-right parties increase strongly, government majorities shrink, the fractionalization of parliaments rises and the overall number of parties represented in parliament jumps.


The United States’ two-party system effectively precludes the emergence of right- (or left-) wing third parties, but in some other respects, the post-2008-2009 period here parallels that of European democracies.

These parallels include the sharp rightward movement in the elections of 2010 and 2014, sustained Republican control of the House since 2010, and the 2014 Republican takeover of the Senate.

Rather than a European right-wing party, the current contest for the Republican nomination has produced a unique American phenomenon: Donald J. Trump. Despite near universal opposition from the party establishment, Trump has led the pack every day since July 20, except for three days in early November when Ben Carson briefly tied him in the polls.

If Trump were to falter, many political analysts foresee Ted Cruz, a candidate with views similar to Trump’s who also enjoys the animosity of party elders, filling the vacuum. Trump and Cruz are, in effect, the rebellious American counterparts to the UK Independence Party in England; the National Front in France; and the People’s Party in Denmark.

The dynamic interaction of three current trends — voter anger over immigration, over offshoring and robotization, and over damage wrought by the economic meltdown of 2008 — has been crucial to Trump’s success. Together, these developments have blown a hole in American politics. Trump, wielding ferocious rhetoric, has plowed through.

Take immigration: For many voters, the discomfiting point made 12 years ago in the Texas Observer by Michael Lind, policy director of the economic growth program at the New America foundation, remains true today. The left, Lind said,

cannot cope with reality of how low-wage unskilled immigration has been driving down wages at the bottom of the labor market since the 1960s. Whenever multiculturalism collides with the interests of labor, multiculturalism wins.

Though his findings are contested by other economists, George J. Borjas, a professor of economics at Harvard, argues that

illegal immigration reduces the wage of native workers by an estimated $99 to $118 billion a year, and generates a gain for businesses and other users of immigrants of $107 billion to $128 billion.

Or take the hollowing out: “In 1979, the four middle-skill occupations (sales; office and administrative workers; production workers; and operatives) accounted for 60 percent of employment,” according to David Autor, an economist at M.I.T. By 2012, “it was 46 percent.”

Or take the aftereffects of the financial collapse: “The cost of the crisis, assuming output eventually returns to its precrisis trend path, is an output loss of $6 trillion to $14 trillion. This amounts to $50,000 to $120,000 for every U.S. household,” analysts at the Dallas Federal Reserve calculated:

While the recession was an economic phenomenon, its impact went beyond a sizable drop in output or consumption. The adverse psychological consequences are enormous, even if they are not easily quantifiable.

The “stark legacy of the recession and the lackluster labor market” are apparent in “reduced opportunity and deterioration,” according to the Dallas Federal Reserve. The number of men and women “not in the labor force” continues to grow, from 92.5 million in November 2014 to 94.4 million last month.

In other words, the stage has been set for Trump.

If, as Feehery argues, the central vulnerability of the Republican establishment and its congressional wing is excessive deference to donors and party elites, it is conceivable that Trump’s bid will force less obeisance to this stratum.

Given the intensity of this intraparty conflict, leaders of the Republican establishment are wise to have begun their contingency planning for a deadlocked convention in Cleveland in July – or, for that matter, for a Trump third-party bid.

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« Responder #36 em: 2015-12-16 13:37:57 »
Mas quando nao ganham eleições voltam a olhar uns para os outros e a perguntar como se ganha isto? E a resposta é voltando ao centro.
Nao é diferente da atracão momentânea do centro-esquerda europeu pela extrema esquerda, daqui a uns anos voltam a ganhar juízo e a voltar ao centro.

o partido poderá voltar ao centro-direita (no contexto americano; cá é direita direita).
este pessoal é que não volta. e sem esta base não ganham eleições.
ficando para trás este eleitorado, aparecerá sempre alguém que apele a este segmento.
daí a possibilidade do terceiro partido.

L

A grande parte dessa base é flutuante, tanto vota á esquerda como á direita, e agora votam nos extremos porque quando a coisa piora (terrorismo, desemprego, etc) o populismo dos extremos fica mais forte. Muitos dos que votam FN agora em Franca sao os que votaram Hollande há nao muito tempo, por exemplo.
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« Responder #37 em: 2015-12-16 14:17:14 »
Eu sei que é um pouco polémico...mas faz falta um Trump em Portugal...um gajo avariado dos cornos, que ao mesmo tempo fosse muito populista e reunisse pelo menos 5ou 7% dos votos à direita...era uma maneira de meter o pcp, be e ala radical do ps na linha.

Não é polémico, é a realidade.
Só agora com o Observador existe uma imprensa Liberal e sem medo
de colocar em causa as falácias da Esquerda.

Eu já chamo fascistas ao pessoal de Esquerda sempre que estou com eles, primeiro
riem-se e depois perdem o norte porque dizem que o fascismo é de direita, enterram-se logo.