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[ana]

se ao fim de o tradares uns anos saíres a positivo, é bom, apanhaste-lhe as manhas. a maioria dos traders pequenitos se feitas as contas ficar a zero já é um milagre, é um activo bastante dificil na minha opinião

[andre.p]

se ao fim de o tradares uns anos saíres a positivo, é bom, apanhaste-lhe as manhas. a maioria dos traders pequenitos se feitas as contas ficar a zero já é um milagre, é um activo bastante dificil na minha opinião

Ana, para ti quais os activos mais fáceis de negociar?

Este ano com o ouro até me tem corrido bem, sempre do lado short.

[ana]

não estou a falar no meu caso, eu tenho pratica, lá me vou desenrascando com a maioria os activos, estou a falar em geral. o ouro é dos q dá mais chatices a escolher pontos de entrada, niveis para os stops etc, é daqueles q mais vezes pode por ex comer stops e abalar todo contente para onde era suposto. estou a falar a estes niveis, e é como dizia, a questão não se coloca se já o conheces bem e tens pratica de negociar, quem não tem, e na minha opinião, o melhor é fugir:D

[hermes]

se ao fim de o tradares uns anos saíres a positivo, é bom, apanhaste-lhe as manhas. a maioria dos traders pequenitos se feitas as contas ficar a zero já é um milagre, é um activo bastante dificil na minha opinião

Tendo em conta o longo bull market desde ~ 1999 e a valorização desde o mínimo, isso diz muita coisa sobre a maioria dos pequenitos.

[ana]

ele já desfez o q valorizou desde meados de 2010, da maioria dos pequenitos quem estava dentro e não saiu já pouco lhe resta. da maioria dos pequenitos quem estava dentro e saiu bem ou +-, já voltou a entrar 30 vezes e a sair com perdas, ou está a perder já bastante. se lhes fizeres o saldo actual dificilmente está positivo.

estou a falar da maioria, não de A ou B, pq não sei os negocios de cada um, claro.

[cp]

24 barras de ouro descobertas na casa de banho de um avião na Índia   

http://sol.sapo.pt/inicio/Internacional/Interior.aspx?content_id=92964

[hermes]

Foi a galinha dos ovos de ouro que passou por lá. Agora a sério, parece haver sérios indícios do aumento anornal de importações de ouro nos países vizinhos.

[itg00022289]

Foi a galinha dos ovos de ouro que passou por lá. Agora a sério, parece haver sérios indícios do aumento anornal de importações de ouro nos países vizinhos.

Not exactly the brightest way to smuggle gold…

November 16, 2013
Bangkok, Thailand

Thailand is known for a lot of things– quintessential white sandy beaches, hard partying nightlife, quiet Buddhist reverence…

But what a lot of people don’t realize is that Bangkok is probably one of the most important cities in the world when it comes to illegal trafficking.

Human trafficking. Narcotrafficking. Money laundering. Weapons. Forged documents. Etc.

Bangkok is just as vital to these industries as New York or London to the global financial sector.

And now, thanks to India’s sagging economy, they can add one more to this list: gold smuggling.

Recently, India has been in a state of economic turmoil. Beset on all sides by spiraling inflation, economic stagnation, and a rapidly depreciating currency.

In response the Indian government imposed capital controls in a feeble attempt to curb gold imports and reduce its widening current account deficit.

This constitutes theft, plain and simple. By eliminating options to hold anything other than rapidly depreciating paper, Indian politicians essentially stole the purchasing power of people’s savings

India’s government banned gold coin imports outright. And tight restrictions were placed on the importation of other bullion products, replete with excessive taxation and duties to pay.

The private sector hasn’t exactly taken this lying down. History shows that whenever governments create prohibitions, smugglers and bootleggers will always step in to fill the void.

And because of its traditional gold ties, regional commerce, and generous transportation options, Thailand has now become a major transit point for international gold smuggling destined for India.

The World Gold Council recently released its quarterly data on global gold trends, and the numbers are very clear: India’s gold demand cratered, dropping 32% because of the restrictions.

In Thailand, however, gold demand is up 125% from the 3rd quarter of 2012.

I’ve noticed this on the ground; there’s been a surge of gold shops and new inventory in the marketplace, particularly the small ‘biscuit’ bars that are easier to smuggle.

Much of this is bound for India.

Indian customs officials say that the amount of gold seized has soared over 300% this year.

They claim to have found people hiding gold just about everywhere you could imagine– from airplane lavatories to betwixt their butt cheeks. Not exactly the smartest way to smuggle gold… Just imagine being the buyer of those bars!

Of course, most of the gold is making its way into the country. The borders are too porous and there’s just too many people going through.

Based on the markup that gold sells for in India and the cheap cost of air travel in this part of the world, a smuggler can net nearly $10,000 on a single trip bringing 5kg of gold into India.

That’s a fairly solid payoff for a day’s work, though there are obviously risks involved.

But as much as I admire the swashbuckling, unbridled capitalist spirit of these smugglers sticking it to politicians, there is definitely an easier way.

This whole episode really underscores the importance of having at least a portion of your gold (and paper savings) safely held overseas where your home government can’t control it.

If you have gold overseas and some funds in a foreign bank account, then your savings will be protected from the disastrous consequences of capital controls.

Digital currencies like Bitcoin may also be an alternative to paper money; they’re growing in popularity in places like Argentina where people continue to be beaten down by extractive government policies and capital controls.

http://www.sovereignman.com/offshore/not-exactly-the-brightest-way-to-smuggle-gold-13193/

[hermes]

They claim to have found people hiding gold just about everywhere you could imagine– from airplane lavatories to betwixt their butt cheeks. Not exactly the smartest way to smuggle gold… Just imagine being the buyer of those bars!

Como dizia o emperador Vespasiano: Pecunia non olet ("o dinheiro não tem cheiro").

Vespasian imposed a Urine Tax (Latin: vectigal urinae) on the distribution of urine from public urinals in Rome's Cloaca Maxima (great sewer) system. (The Roman lower classes urinated into pots which were emptied into cesspools.) The urine collected from public urinals was sold as an ingredient for several chemical processes. It was used in tanning, and also by launderers as a source of ammonia to clean and whiten woollen togas. The buyers of the urine paid the tax.

The Roman historian Suetonius reports that when Vespasian's son Titus complained about the disgusting nature of the tax, his father held up a gold coin and asked whether he felt offended by its smell (sciscitans num odore offenderetur). When Titus said "No," he replied, "Yet it comes from urine" („Atqui ex lotio est“).

The phrase Pecunia non olet is still used today to say that the value of money is not tainted by its origins. Vespasian's name still attaches to public urinals in France (vespasiennes), Italy (vespasiani), and Romania (vespasiene).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecunia_non_olet

[Zel]

entao esse ouro? comprei GDXJ e nada, dou-lhe um ano ou entao fecho a posicao 

[itg00022289]

uma curiosidade

The amazing disappearance of GOLD from the American psyche
November 22, 2013
Dallas, Texas

In George Orwell’s seminal work 1984, there’s a really great scene early in the book between Winston (the main character) and Syme, a low-level functionary at the Ministry of Truth.

Syme is working on the 11th Edition of the Newspeak Dictionary, and he explains to Winston how the Ministry of Truth is actually removing words from the English vocabulary.

In Newspeak, words like -freedom- have been struck from the dictionary altogether, to the point that the mere concept of liberty would be incommunicable in the future.

I thought about this scene recently as I was testing out Google’s new Ngram Viewer tool.

If you haven’t seen it yet, Google has digitized over a million books that were printed as far back as 1500, and they’ve made the contents searchable within their own database.

The Ngram Viewer allows you to search for particular keywords. And you can see over time how prevalent the search terms were for particular years.

Out of curiosity, I searched for the term “gold” in English language books starting in 1776.

As one would expect back in the 18th and 19th centuries when gold was actually considered money, the instances of the word ‘gold’ favored prevalently in English language books at the time.

The trend continued into the early part of the 20th century.

But then something interesting happened in the mid-1930s. The use of the word ‘gold’ in English language books reached its peak… and began a steep, multi-decade decline.

1 The amazing disappearance of GOLD from the American psyche

Further investigation shows that the peak actually occurred in 1933. And as any student of gold in modern history knows, 1933 was the same year that the President of the United States (FDR) criminalized the private ownership of gold.

It remained this way for four decades. And by the time Gerald Ford repealed the prohibition on gold ownership, the concept of gold being money had been permanently struck from the American psyche, just as the Orwellian Newspeak dictionary had done.

By the mid-1970s (and through today), people have become readily accepting of the idea that money was nothing more than pieces of paper conjured at will by central bankers.

The good news is that, according to Google’s data, there seems to be slight uptick in the number of instances of the word ‘gold’ in English language books over the last 10-years or so.

No doubt, this probably has a lot to do with gold’s seemingly interminable rise relative to paper currency.

One can hope that the trend will hold… that more people will wake up to the reality that the central-bank controlled fiat currency system is a total fraud.

http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/the-amazing-disappearance-of-gold-from-the-american-psyche-13209/

[hermes]

Os anos 70 são muito estranhos, pensei que não se falasse de outra coisa nesse bull market.

Dado que os copyrights duram 70 anos após a morte dos autores, se calhar parte do declíneo é um artefacto disso mesmo.

[Mystery]

entao esse ouro? comprei GDXJ e nada, dou-lhe um ano ou entao fecho a posicao 

um ano? agora viraste investidor? 

[SrSniper]

Em que faze estamos?

[hermes]

Em que faze estamos?

Basta responder à fase em que está o dinheiro do tio Sam, que é a pregunta pertinente

[SrSniper]

Em que faze estamos?

Basta responder à fase em que está o dinheiro do tio Sam, que é a pregunta pertinente

Está na fase do novo paradigma... mas se os mercados corrigirem, o ouro deverá subir...

[Zel]

amanha posso ter um sinal de compra no GDX, so tem de cair mais um dia

[tugadaytrader]

Ouro cai mais de 1% num minuto


A queda foi devido a  venda de 1500 contratos, quando o mercado tinha pouca liquidez.

Gráfico de  1 minuto.




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[mibusiness]

amanha posso ter um sinal de compra no GDX, so tem de cair mais um dia

zel confirma-se o teu sinal? é que ontem houve uma recuperação antes do fecho e pode ter estragado o cenário.

[Zel]

amanha posso ter um sinal de compra no GDX, so tem de cair mais um dia

zel confirma-se o teu sinal? é que ontem houve uma recuperação antes do fecho e pode ter estragado o cenário.

nao, afinal so amanha e so se cair

nao vi a tua pergunta antes, da prox se tiveres urgencia manda um pm