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This is why I recommend collector’s coins dated prior to 1947. Regular common date $20 gold pieces are probably best. They were not confiscated only because Teddy Roosevelt had been an ancient coin collector. That will lend a bit more cover rather than pure bullion. You can always argue its your coin collection – not bullion. Depends upon the judge.

É impressionante o nível de arbitrariedade a que aparentemente os políticos conseguem ir.
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« Responder #581 em: 2014-06-03 10:13:53 »
Não percebo tamanho interesse dos bancos de Wall Street pela relíquia bárbara de tempos de antanho. Deviam sim era rejubilar enquanto os 2/3 de papalvos do mundo o apreciam e mandá-lo todo para lá enquanto vale alguma coisa, não vão eles mudar de ideias entretanto.

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Wall Street concerned over China's gold hoarding

Huang Shu-rong and Staff Reporter
2014-06-02  09:21 (GMT+8)

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1203&MainCatID=12&id=20140602000001

The People's Bank of China, China's central bank, is the world's biggest gold hoarder and the bane of Wall Street traders, reports the Chinese-language financial news website BwChinese, citing a Hong Kong financial analyst.

Leung Hai-ming told the portal that China's central bank took advantage of the US Federal Reserve's quantitative easing program in 2013, when the price of gold fell by 27%. The bank bought in over 1,000 tonnes of gold, representing almost one third of the world's 3,756 tonnes last year.

There is reportedly less than 180,000 tonnes of gold reserves left, and only 20% of that remaining gold is tradable. This means that the People's Bank of China will likely keep hold of the gold, limiting the gold trading volume — a concern for both the US government and Wall Street traders.

Leung said that the US Federal Reserve loans gold to investment banks such as Goldman Sachs, Citibank, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley and others every year to trade in the market. The amount of gold ranges between 400-500 tonnes and the move acts to artificially suppress gold prices. When the prices are in their favor, these investment banks buy back the gold and return it to the Fed.

But this measure is absolutely useless because China's is hoarding the gold and does not follow the rules, Leung said. When it sees that gold prices are going down, the first thing it does is buy them, and does not sell when prices continue to fall. It seems that Wall Street cannot do anything to counter China on this, according to Leung.

The analyst said that the People's Bank of China is putting pressure on Washington and Wall Street as the US dollar has been linked with gold prices since its rise as the leading global currency. The Fed hopes to manipulate gold prices in its favor, Leung said, but the Chinese central bank is standing in its way.
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« Responder #582 em: 2014-06-06 17:08:42 »
At the very least, stay away from gold at least while it remains significantly overvalued on a historical basis vis a vis the basket of goods and services that comprise the CPI. For reference, on this basis, gold is historically overvalued at any price above $850 USD.


Gold Manipulation: What Investors Should Do Now
Jun. 6, 2014 10:09 AM ET  |  19 comments |  About: SPDR Gold Trust ETF (GLD), Includes: DIA, SPY

Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours. (More...)
Summary

    Barclays was recently fined in connection with a London scandal involving gold price manipulation. Promoters of conspiracy theories involving large-scale gold price suppression are claiming vindication.
    This article explores whether the Barclays scandal does, indeed, vindicate claims of systematic price suppression in gold markets.
    The article clearly lays out the investment implications of different types of price manipulation for gold investors and for investors in financial markets in general.

For many years, it has been claimed by promoters of the yellow commodity and SPDR Gold Shares (GLD) that gold prices are "manipulated." In recent days, these promoters have been claiming "vindication" as a result of events in London that have been widely publicized. First, Barclays was fined 26 million pounds ($43.8 million USD) in connection with a gold price manipulation scandal. Second, Financial Times has recently reported that the sort of shenanigans at the heart of the Barclays case has been "routine" for many years.

Should gold bulls really take solace in this revelation? Do these events really prove that gold prices have been systematically suppressed for decades via "manipulation," as gold promoters often claim? And if gold prices are indeed manipulated, what should current or prospective gold investors do about it? And how does all of this potentially relate to claims of manipulation of the S&P 500 (SPY) and the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DIA) by the Fed?
The Barclays Case: What Kind of Manipulation?

Barclays was fined for failures in internal controls that enabled former trader Daniel James Plunkett to influence or manipulate the setting of gold prices through the traditional daily London "fix" system. According to authorities, Plunkett manipulated the market in order to avoid payment of $3.9 million to a customer under an option contract, boosting his own trading book by $1.75 million.

Do these revelations vindicate the claims of gold promoters that there is systematic manipulation markets to suppress gold prices? This particular case involved a Barclays trader that manipulated the gold price to avoid payment on an option contract. So doesn't this case prove that gold prices can be, and are, in fact, manipulated downward? The answer is both "yes" and "no." It depends what sort of "manipulation" we are talking about.

The answer is "yes" in the narrow sense that gold prices can be and are habitually manipulated by traders. However, in a deeper sense, this case shows precisely the opposite of what the promoters of gold manipulation conspiracy theories have been trying to convince the public of over the years.

One of the great ironies of this Barclays case is that it brings to public light the fact that price manipulation is not unique in any way to the gold market - it is a systematic issue that affects the prices of virtually all assets that trade in markets. It is common knowledge that option traders in virtually all markets -- including equity and commodity markets - systematically engage in gamesmanship to "influence" or "manipulate" the underlying price of securities around the time of options expiration.

It's important to understand how this works. Traders on either end of an options contract with a strike price near the money often try to manipulate the price of the underlying asset either up and down over very short-term time-frames around expiration date in order to benefit their book. For example, traders that are short call options (i.e. sellers of call options) will try to push prices down so that the options contracts expire worthless, while sellers that are short put options (i.e. sellers of put options) will try to push prices up so that the options contracts expire worthless. At the same time, owners of calls will try to push prices up in order to profit, while owners of puts will similarly try to push prices down in order to book a profit on their contracts. Traders that hold these various positions engage in "battles" with other traders that are on the opposite side of the trade. Indeed, these "battles" amongst traders around a specific strike price are so commonplace that they are routinely reported on by the financial press. The subject has been even written about extensively in academia. Thus, in this narrow sense, it is only trivially "true" that gold prices are "manipulated" by traders - in the same way that prices are manipulated in the markets for market for grains, hog bellies and Apple stock.

For this reason it should be clear that demonstrating that this sort of price manipulation exists in financial markets, or even gold markets specifically, provides no support whatsoever for the notion that there is a global conspiracy to systematically manipulate gold prices downward. Quite to the contrary, this case ironically tends to demonstrate why it is near impossible for manipulators to have any systematic or lasting effects on the prices of gold - or any other commodity or security, for that matter.

One of the revelations in this case was that after having manipulated the gold price downward, Plunkett sent an email to colleagues saying that he was hoping for a "mini puke" the following day. Why did Plunkett say this? His remarks illustrate the problem faced by traders that attempt to engage in this kind of short-term market manipulation: They expose themselves to the risk of major losses as they unwind the positions that they initiated in order to manipulate market prices. In this case, Plunkett sold short spot gold and/or futures in order to manipulate spot gold prices downwards. The following day, he was going to be forced to buy spot gold and/or futures in order to cover his recently acquired short position. Ironically, Plunkett's need to buy gold the following day, had the potential to contribute to a "short squeeze" that caused prices to rise and occasion major losses for him. This is why Plunkett was hoping for a "mini-puke" - this would enable him to get out, unscathed or even at a profit, of his short positions that he acquired in his attempt to manipulate gold prices downward. However, note that if gold prices had actually risen the next day for reasons out of his control, he would have been exposed to potentially major losses.

This is the dilemma faced by all manipulators. Manipulation is a double-edged sword. For example, if you sell large amounts of gold today in order to manipulate prices downward, you will now be a source of demand tomorrow that will tend to push prices up. Because prices - especially in large and liquid markets such as gold -- are ultimately determined by supply and demand, manipulators have little or no net effect on prices beyond the very short term. This is because manipulation provides no net supply or demand to the market. The positions taken to manipulate the market must be unwound, and so by the law of supply and demand the net impact on prices will tend to be a wash.
The Possibility of Larger Conspiracies

Clearly, the Barclays case provides no evidence whatsoever that gold prices are systematically repressed by manipulation. Quite the contrary, the case provides a clear illustration of why manipulators such as Plunkett ultimately have no systematic or lasting effect on the prices of goods in a large and liquid market.

But isn't it possible that larger actors such as central banks could manipulate prices in a more decisive way?

Wading through the enormous swamp of speculation surrounding this question goes beyond the scope of this article. However, it is possible to make a few logical observations.

The first thing one must note is that it is generally accepted, even by the advocates of gold conspiracy theories, that central banks do not engage in gold market interventions directly. It is generally accepted that to the extent that such manipulations occur at all, they are carried out by "front-men" that operate on behalf of global central banks. In this regard, the Barclays case does indirectly provide us with some interesting insights. Specifically, the Barclays case serves to highlight the fact any such front-men would be exposing themselves to enormous losses at any given point in time. Since it must be presumed that "front-men" will not collaborate with the central banks if they are exposed to net losses, then the question is how the central banks make their front-men whole when such operations move against them - as must frequently be the case. There would have to be a highly complex operation that attempted to reconcile or "true up" accounts between the central bank and its front-men that guaranteed that the front-men would not sustain losses. The problem is that any operation to reconcile such large and complex accounts would necessarily involve the knowledge of dozens if not hundreds of people that would be consciously participating in unambiguously criminal fraudulent activity. For example, it would involve the fraudulent falsification of the books of the central bank and of the companies providing the front, tax evasion (non-disclosure) by the front-men and etc. This renders the secrecy of such a conspiracy virtually impossible to sustain. In other words, since so many people inside the government and in the private sector would have to be involved in such manipulation and the subsequent criminal cover-up operations, the sustained existence of this type of conspiracy is quite implausible.

This is why the only way that sustained secrecy of such a conspiracy could be plausibly explained would be to posit that all of the people involved, both in the public and private sectors, were members of a secret society such as the "Illuminati" or Masons. I will leave it to readers to opine themselves on how plausible this is.
What Should Investors Do About The Specter of Manipulation?

Promoters of gold are the most vocal proponents of the notion that gold prices are manipulated downwards.

There is a puzzling irony in this. Imagine a promoter of Apple Computer (AAPL) saying: "Apple stock is constantly manipulated downward by powerful interests that are determined to drive its price down. Therefore, buy Apple." Such a position would be absurd.

A separate absurdity is the position held by most gold promoters: On the one hand, they like to claim that the Fed manipulates stock prices upwards as represented by the S&P 500 index and the Dow Jones Industrial Average. At the same time, they passionately try to convince investors to sell their stocks (or refrain from buying) and to buy gold. How intelligent is that?

So, what should intelligent investors do given the specter of gold price manipulation?

First, investors must clarify what is referred to when the term "manipulation" is referenced.

If it is the sort of manipulation that has been uncovered in the Barclay's case, then this is the same kind of manipulation that affects Apple stock virtually every month around options expiration day. For reasons described earlier, such manipulation can have virtually no systematic and or lasting effect on the price of Apple stock or the price of gold. For this reason, manipulation of this sort is not a reason to undertake or refrain from undertaking long-term investment - in Apple or Gold. Long-term investment is affected very little by such shenanigans. The decision to invest in Apple or Gold should rest on entirely different considerations.

Now, if you believe that the US and other global central banks are conspiring with other private sector actors to suppress the price of gold, then this is another kind of manipulation entirely that is being posited. And in this case, the answer regarding what to do about it should be clear: Stay away from gold! Why in the world would you want to invest in an asset whose prices global central banks are determined to suppress? Similarly, if you are convinced that the US government is manipulating stock prices higher, then how in the world can this be construed as an argument against equity investment?

If central bank manipulation is real and effective, why would you use your relatively meager savings to fight against it? This is not practical.
Conclusion

What should investors do right now in the face of the specter of manipulation in gold markets?

If the manipulation referred to concerns the sort of shenanigans that were revealed in the Barclays case, then the issue is virtually irrelevant for long-term investors. In this case, do nothing at all. Your investment stance vis a vis gold should not be affected one way or another.

On the other hand, if the manipulations you are concerned about refer to alleged massive conspiracies led by the US Fed and other global central banks, then this is a different story. In this case, stay away from gold like it is the plague. At the very least, stay away from gold at least while it remains significantly overvalued on a historical basis vis a vis the basket of goods and services that comprise the CPI. For reference, on this basis, gold is historically overvalued at any price above $850 USD.

In sum, I make two main observations in this article:

    The Barclays case does nothing to vindicate those that have been claiming systematic suppression of gold prices. To the contrary, the Barclay's case tends to show how price manipulation in large and liquid markets will tend to have little impact on prices except over the very short term.

    The Barclays case tends to highlight a key reason why conspiracies to suppress gold prices are quite implausible: The need for manipulators to unwind positions initiated in the course of such operations exposes them to large losses. Compensating the losses of central bank front-men and then covering this up would be extremely difficult to maintain secret.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2256213-gold-manipulation-what-investors-should-do-now
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Daí provém a mediocridade nacional!
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« Responder #583 em: 2014-06-12 10:25:51 »
E mais uma vez se cumpriu a palavra...

Citação de:  Mateus 7:24-27
Todo aquele, pois, que ouve estas palavras e as pratica, será comparado a um homem prudente, que edificou a sua casa sobre a rocha; e caiu a chuva, transbordaram os rios, sopraram os ventos e deram com ímpeto contra aquela casa, que não caiu, porque fora edificada sobre a rocha. E todo aquele que ouve estas minhas palavras e não as pratica, será comparado a um homem insensato, que edificou a sua casa sobre a areia; e caiu a chuva, transbordaram os rios, sopraram os ventos e deram com ímpeto contra aquela casa, e ela desabou, sendo grande a sua ruína.


Citação de:  Mateus 22:15-22
Os fariseus se retiraram e fizeram um plano para apanhar Jesus em alguma palavra. Então mandaram os seus discípulos, junto com alguns partidários de Herodes, para dizerem a Jesus: «Mestre, sabemos que tu és verdadeiro, e que ensinas de fato o caminho de Deus. Tu não dás preferência a ninguém, porque não levas em conta as aparências. Dize-nos, então, o que pensas: "É lícito ou não é, pagar imposto a César?»  Jesus percebeu a maldade deles, e disse: «Hipócritas! Por que vocês me tentam?  Mostrem-me a moeda do imposto.» Levaram, então, a ele a moeda. E Jesus perguntou: «De quem é a figura e inscrição nesta moeda?»  Eles responderam: «É de César.» Então Jesus disse: «Pois dêem a César o que é de César, e a Deus o que é de Deus.»  Ouvindo isso, eles ficaram admirados. Deixaram Jesus e foram embora.


Geneva’s French Ties Fray as Banks Warn Offshore Clients

By Giles Broom
2014-06-11T22:01:01Z

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-11/geneva-s-french-ties-fray-as-banks-warn-offshore-clients.html

For more than a century, the Swiss city of Geneva has provided wealthy French families with a convenient and safe place to stash their money.

Switzerland’s political neutrality and stability and its tradition of bank secrecy kept their fortunes beyond the reach of warring powers and the most determined tax collectors, even though Geneva is less than three miles from the French border. In turn, French funds have helped build the city into a showpiece for Gallic culture -- and the world’s largest concentration of wealth managers.

Now those longstanding ties are unraveling as France toughens tax laws and Paris prosecutors investigate Switzerland’s largest lender UBS AG (UBSN) and London-based HSBC Holdings Plc over whether they helped clients hide wealth in Swiss accounts. Already bruised by battles with the U.S., Geneva bankers are pressing French clients to “regularize,” a polite way of saying they must come clean on undeclared funds. Failure to do so will result in account closings, clients were told.

Banks are “very scared,” said Remi Dhonneur, a Paris-based tax lawyer at Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP. “Clients are being kicked out or pushed to regularization.”

Adding weight to the threat, banks are combing through tens of thousands of accounts to identify potential tax cheats, a caseload that spans three or four generations of wealth deposited offshore by affluent French families, he said.

French families have at least 250 billion euros ($339 billion) parked in offshore accounts, more than half of which are probably undeclared, according to a Geneva-based banker who asked not to be named, saying the figures were supplied confidentially by a consulting company.

Hard Line

French-speaking Geneva oversees about 80 percent to 90 percent of that wealth, according to five tax lawyers interviewed by Bloomberg News. That’s about equal to Malaysia’s gross domestic product.

France offered last June to cut fines on unreported offshore wealth to encourage voluntary declarations. The program has yielded 764 million euros of taxes from 1,260 cases reviewed, with a further 1.8 billion euros expected this year from more than 20,000 other disclosures, the French government said in late May.

France is investigating UBS after the country’s banking regulator fined the Swiss lender 10 million euros last year for deficient controls against tax fraud and illegal sales practices. Tax investigators searched the bank’s offices in Paris, Lyon and Strasbourg.

With HSBC’s private bank, which is suspected of helping 3,000 French customers avoid paying more than 4 billion euros of tax, investigating judges “clearly” want to bring charges, Le Monde said on June 10. The government built its case from a client list of leaked from the bank’s Geneva unit by a former software technician. HSBC declined to comment on the report.

U.S. Push

Wealth managers also are taking a hard line after a U.S.- led international push that resulted last month in Credit Suisse AG (CSGN) becoming the first bank in more than a decade to admit to a crime in a U.S. courtroom.

The unit of Switzerland’s second-largest lender pleaded guilty to a decades-long pattern of helping Americans evade taxes in offshore havens and agreed to pay $2.6 billion in penalties.

The settlement clears the way for other Swiss banks to resolve their own U.S. tax disputes. Many of these banks, including Pictet & Cie. Group SCA and HSBC’s Swiss unit, are the same ones turning up the heat on their French clients.

Separately, a French law adopted in December gives authorities more power to go after suspected tax cheats and provides a 2 million-euro fine and a sentence of as many as seven years for bankers, wealth managers, advisers and lawyers who organized tax fraud.

Bank Initiative

“I’m dealing at the moment with an enormous number of cases of regularization,” said Nicolas Marguerat, a Paris-based lawyer and academic. “Most clients came to me due to the initiative of the bank, because the bank contacted them six months ago and told them: ’You must regularize. If you haven’t done this by March 31, 2014, we will throw you out and give you a check.’”

Banks wanted time to verify compliance before the French tax reporting season, which runs from May through June depending on the type of return. The French government has not clarified the deadline for the disclosure program, said Jerome Barre, a partner at Franklin, a law firm in Paris.

Marguerat said most of his French clients have between 100,000 euros and 2 million euros and are regularizing, while others with dozens of millions stashed abroad may be looking for other ways to keep it offshore.

Some have tried to shift assets to Dubai or the Bahamas or use safes in Switzerland that aren’t connected to bank systems, according to Dhonneur, who says he advises against this.

Wars, Policies

Geneva, with a population of less than 200,000, counts 122 banks and more than 4,000 independent asset and financial intermediaries vying for a share of Switzerland’s $2.3 trillion of offshore wealth. With the 2008 financial crisis, European governments began casting a greedy eye on this wealth.

While some French shifted money to Geneva banks during the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War and during World Wars I and II, changes in tax policy in the last century prompted much of the movement offshore, according to Christophe Farquet, a history researcher at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland.

“Wealth management for French individuals and families in Geneva really began at the start of the 20th century and surged when tax rate rose after 1920,” Farquet said. “Each time there was a Socialist government, money flowed to Switzerland.”

The labor strike in 1968 challenging Charles de Gaulle’s Fifth Republic and the arrival in 1981 of Socialist President Francois Mitterrand, who introduced an annual tax on wealth that survives today, made Switzerland an appealing safe harbor.

Hollande’s Reign

More recently, taxes put in place by Socialist President Francois Hollande after his 2012 election prompted some wealthy French to leave the country. Billionaire Bernard Arnault, chief executive officer of LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton SA, applied for Belgian citizenship, though he said he would continue to pay French taxes. The application was turned down.

Banks have a responsibility to encourage customers to put their tax affairs in order by cooperating with governments where they are domiciled for tax, the Swiss Bankers Association told more than 300 members in a letter on Nov. 29.

Swiss banks “are doing as much as they can” to guide French clients through their country’s “costly” and “complicated” disclosure program, Patrick Odier, chairman of the association and Senior Partner at Cie. Lombard, Odier SCA, said in an interview with L’Agefi newspaper on May 8.

His family’s firm, Lombard Odier, is Geneva’s oldest bank, dating to 1796. The bank even featured in French author Jules Verne’s 1865 novel “From the Earth to the Moon” as the financier of the fictional voyage.

No Hemorrhage

Geneva’s largest private bank, Pictet, has offices in Paris and is run by a descendant of one of Louis XIV’s bankers. Both banks declined to comment on their policy on French clients.

Edmond de Rothschild Group, a relative newcomer to Geneva, reported outflows of 3 percent to 4 percent of 37 billion francs ($41 billion) booked in Switzerland for 2013. Customers settling unpaid taxes accounted for some of the withdrawals, said Manuel Leuthold, the firm’s chief administrative officer.

He insisted that there is no hemorrhage. “For the moment clients are not repatriating all their assets when they regularize.” Edmond de Rothschild was established in Paris in 1953 and acquired its bank in Geneva in 1965.

Credit Suisse “is asking clients to regularize their tax situation,” Jean-Paul Darbellay, a Lausanne-based spokesman for the company, said by e-mail.

Cahuzac Scandal

Americans and Germans with accounts in Switzerland also have come under pressure after their governments took on Swiss banks, whose bank-secrecy tradition cracked under the assault.

Since 2009, U.S. tax probes have cost Switzerland’s biggest banks, UBS and Credit Suisse, more than $3 billion in fines and felled the nation’s oldest bank, Wegelin & Co., founded in 1741. About a dozen other banks are under investigation for allegedly helping wealthy Americans cheat on their taxes.

France is trying to regain credibility after its former budget minister, Jerome Cahuzac, was found last year to have had a secret Swiss account -- a scandal that forced his resignation and prompted Hollande to step up measures against tax evasion.

Still, “it’s the change in attitude of Swiss banks that explains the number of applicants for regularizations,” said Mathieu Le Tacon, a tax partner with Delsol Avocats in Paris. Bankers didn’t encourage clients to use previous amnesty programs such as the one offered by France in 2009, he said.

New World

That Geneva bankers are backing the programs this time shows the waning sway of old French money.

With emerging markets capturing a growing share of the world’s wealth, banks are eager to tap in and tax disputes are holding them back. Millionaires in the Asia-Pacific region are expected to account for $61 trillion by 2018, surging from $37 trillion at the end of last year, according to a report by Boston Consulting Group. That compares with an estimate of $44.6 trillion, from $37.9 trillion, in western Europe.

For most clients of Paris-based lawyer Lea Falcon, Geneva still holds appeal.

“They still trust Switzerland more than they trust France,” Falcon said. “They are scared their assets might be taken by the state if they are with a local French bank. ”
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« Responder #584 em: 2014-06-18 18:09:58 »
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Your gold ETF has changed

Sachin P Mampatta  |  Mumbai
June 17, 2014 Last Updated at 22:4

http://www.business-standard.com/article/markets/your-gold-etf-has-changed-114061700355_1.html

Gold exchange traded funds (ETFs) have a new element of risk. These schemes which earlier held physical gold equivalent to the unit holders’ investments, now lend a portion of these, as part of a government move to meet gold demand through domestic sources.

This means they no longer directly hold all the gold their investors have paid for. This introduces an element of credit risk to these funds, say experts.

Goldman Sachs Asset Management runs India’s largest gold ETF. It issued a note to investors last month that the risk profile of the product had changed. “A situation could arise where the issuer is unable to return the principal physical gold to GS Gold BeES (their scheme) upon maturity or in case of an early redemption. Such inability to return physical gold could arise on account of liquidity problems or general financial health of the issuer,” said the note.



Indian gold ETFs continue to be more conservative than their global counterparts, according to Risbood. International ETFs offer the option of investing in gold derivative contracts, as well as take leveraged positions on gold, he noted.  Indian gold ETFs can invest up to 20 per cent of their assets in gold deposit schemes, according to the Sebi circular on the matter. However, they invest a lower proportion in such schemes, shows the data.

For example, consider the Goldman Sachs Gold ETF Fund, and the R*Shares Gold ETF. These manage a little more than 50 per cent of these assets. They had invested 4.6 per cent and 1.4 per cent of their assets in gold deposit schemes, respectively; according to May-end figures available on the websites of the two asset managers.

There are currently 13 gold ETFs in existence, with total assets under management of Rs 9,039 crore, according to June figures from Value Research.
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« Responder #585 em: 2014-06-23 15:40:32 »
Este texto é passado, era para o incluir no tópico da Jugoslávia, mas resolvi colocar aqui:

http://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/where-has-the-yugoslav-kingdoms-gold-gone-2/

Americans have taken deposits from the Yugoslav 15,649 kilograms of monetary gold and calculated everything they ever gave as the humanitarian aid during the war, to partisans and other fractions as well.

They calculated even the expense of the bombs they thrown on Serbian towns.

Frederal reserve

In the second half of the 1930 es, Prince Paul of Yugoslavia was deeply aware of the European reality. The system established in Versailles was collapsing and Germany has become a lever that creates a new order. This constellation of power means that Yugoslavia must find its own place. Recognizing the threat to the Kingdom before the start of World War II, Royal Earth Defense Council decided to start evacuation of the gold reserves from Belgrade.

Transportation have been done by a warship “Beograd”. It arrived in England loaded with 980 crates containing 3379 gold bars. National Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia in London already had 225 gold bars, so this was an increase to 44886.61 pounds. According to all available data obtained by the historian Miodrag Jankovic, on the eve of the 27th March 1941. the Kingdom of Yugoslavia owned 84,574 kilograms of pure gold.

Following the outbreak of the Second World War, when the attack on England was expected, it was decided to transfer the gold immediately in the United States. The amount of Yugoslav gold that was transported from England to New York is 33683.51 ounce.

By the end of the war only 11203.10 pounds of the Yugoslav gold remained in the English Treasury.
 During the 1940th there were two transports of gold: the first, when the Yugoslav gold was withdrawn from Switzerland and sent via Athens to New York (344 crates or 14168.16 kilograms of pure gold). Shortly before the bombing of Belgrade, the National Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had at the Federal Reserve in the U.S. exactly 41,666 kilograms of gold . On 18th March 1941. The National Bank has sold 20,002 kilograms of gold for 11.225 million dollars and the money was deposited with the Bank of Brazil.

So in the Yugoslav state’s Treasury remained 10703.41 pounds,  stored in Uzice in an underground vault and in Sarajevo – 9611.30 1089.80 pounds. (This gold was later abducted by the Croatian Ustasha).

As for the treasury from Uzice (204 boxes) it was taken to Niksic (today Montenegro) and stored in local Trebjesa cave. But not for long. The very next day the gold was transferred to the airport Krapina for further transport abroad, and 190 cases of the state gold remained on the Nikišič airport, due to the low capacity of the aircraft.
 Thus only 14 crates loaded with 674 kilograms of gold have gone abroad.

The insurgental government brought eight boxes (385 kg) while six more have been taken by the Yugoslav royal army HQ (289 kg). For ex. there were three boxes of gold in general Bora Mirkovic’s plane.

When the gold arrived to England the insurgents had to deposit it in the Bank of England. The gold was used to provide salaries to Yugoslav ministers and officials in London, and also monthly emoluments to Queen Mary, King Peter II and his brothers Andrew and Prince Tomislav until the 1952.
 But that was not all.

Insurgental government – General Simovic, Slobodan Jovanovic, Milos Trifunovic, Bozidar Puric and Ivan Subasic – have had the deposit of the National Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York at their disposal ( the amount of 24,587,814.08 dollars.).

When the WW II finished there were only 662,757.13 unspent dollars on that account. The USA federal bank claimed that almost $ 20 million was spent.

As for the gold that remained in Niksic, 100 pounds have been stolen in the chaos when the Government escaped.  Italians abducted 176 crates or 8393.22 kilograms of Yugoslav gold. Germans seized four boxes of 188.45 pounds in the Ostrog Serbian Orthodox monastery.

Chetniks found and took one, meanwhile notorious communist secret police OZNA discovered five crates and transferred them to Belgrade.
 The U.S. government estimated that the confiscated property of its citizens in Yugoslavia, objectively estimated on 3 – 4 million $, was 17 million $ worth!

Therefore “our allies” Americans, took 15. 649.22 pounds from the total of 41. 666.00 which they used it to buy weapons, uniforms, food, cars, planes – all they had in mind during the war to help Tito’s partisans. Most cynical is the fact that the Americans calculated even the value of bombs they dropped at the end of the war on Serbian towns.

So we have been lied – Karadjordjevic did not “run away with people’s money.” King Peter II flown from Niksic with his personal belongings only.
 And Prince Paul with his family on 27 March 1941. also with personal luggage only, boarded the train that took him to Greece, where he was betrayed and handed over to the English, who had interned him and sent him to Kenya.

Source:  Politika daily, Beograd
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« Responder #586 em: 2014-07-10 17:13:10 »
Tudo o que mete ouro é sempre nublado, misterioso, tirado de um conto da agatha christie.  Num sei para quê ... o culpado é sempre os mesmos, o Mordomo  ;D

La sospechosa renuncia de Alemania a recuperar sus fabulosas reservas de oro

Después de varios años de preparativos Alemania, el segundo país con más reservas de oro del mundo, ha renunciado sin dar muchas explicaciones a repatriar parte de la montaña de lingotes que tiene depositados en Fort Knox, Estados Unidos. Iba a ser una operación de película, un despliegue logístico de alta seguridad que de momento parece que cae en saco roto.

La fortaleza norteamericana custodia miles de toneladas de oro de las 3.300 que posee el estado alemán. En enero de 2013, el Bundesbank anunciaba en rueda de prensa la reorganización de las reservas de oro en un proceso que se extendía hasta 2020. El plan contemplaba la recuperación de 300 toneladas de Nueva York y 374 toneladas de París. El porcentaje custodiado en EEUU se reduciría al 37% y en París desaparecería. Ahora ese plan de recuperación del tesoro custodiado en Fort Knox se ha volatilizado y las teorías conspiratorias se suceden.

[También de interés: Alemania recupera 600 toneladas de oro en una operación de película]

La Reserva Federal había optado por arrastrar los pies en este asunto desde que Alemania solicitó la repatriación de su montaña de oro. Las autoridades del banco emisor del dólar han puesto todo tipo de obstáculos al Gobierno alemán. Por ejemplo, el año pasado la agencia de noticias rusa RT publicaba que a los representantes alemanes les fue negado el permiso para visitar los sótanos del Banco Central de EE.UU, el lugar donde debería estar depositado el oro.

“Alemania, que mantiene allí cerca del 40% de sus reservas de oro, tiene razones para inquietarse. En general, las instituciones financieras de EE.UU. son conocidas por vender lo que realmente no existe”, escribió RT en la publicación en su portal web. Las autoridades americanas también prohibieron que Alemania auditara las reservas de oro almacenadas en Estados Unidos.

Alemania ha conseguido recuperar sólo 37 toneladas de las más de 1.200 toneladas alojadas en la Reserva Federal de Nueva York, según la página especializada OroyFinanzas. Esta cantidad sería acorde al plan de reubicación diseñado en 2013, pero no oculta la falta de información, la ausencia de transparencia y la nocturnidad de todo este proceso. Algunos analistas destacan que cuando ha sido Ucrania la que ha reclamado su dorado tesoro, Estados Unidos ha actuado con presteza y en pocas horas ha entregado las 40 toneladas de lingotes.

Tras conocerse la renuncia de Alemania a recuperar su oro, el exsubsecretario del Tesoro de Estados Unidos en el período de Ronald Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, ha señalado sin tapujos que Estados Unidos no tiene ni un lingote de oro. Para Craig Roberts, esto significa que toda la reserva de oro de EEUU, incluida la de otros países, se ha acabado.

"Estados Unidos no tiene el oro y no puede suministrarlo, por eso ha obligado a Alemania a ponerse de acuerdo con eso, y dejar de pedir por su oro, ya que no puede entregárselo. Ellos (EE.UU.) han ordenado a su estado títere (Alemania) que se calle y emita una declaración diferente.", explicó Craig Roberts.

De acuerdo al Consejo Mundial del Oro (World Gold Council), Alemania posee las segundas mayores reservas de oro del mundo (después de Estados Unidos). Ascendían a 3.386,4 toneladas al 31 de Marzo de este año y superan con creces las 2.452 del tercero, Italia.

https://es.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/finlaotracaradelamoneda/la-sospechosa-renuncia-alemania-recuperar-sus-fabulosas-reservas-151132595.html
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Convenhamos que transportar o ouro para casa, para a seguir transportá-lo de novo para Nova Yorque em virtude do colapso da hegemonia do dólar não é lá assim muito inteligente.
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« Responder #588 em: 2014-07-14 14:34:43 »
Estou apreensivo da reação (ou falta dela ) com o discurso do Draghi  as 17h

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« Responder #589 em: 2014-07-17 22:56:59 »
é mesmo...
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« Responder #590 em: 2014-08-06 13:41:21 »
daqui e ate ao final do ano devemos ter uma boa subida no ouro e GDXJ

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« Responder #591 em: 2014-08-06 14:12:58 »
daqui e ate ao final do ano devemos ter uma boa subida no ouro e GDXJ

A paragem do QE pode prejudicar isso, por via da valorização do dolar?

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« Responder #592 em: 2014-08-06 14:13:48 »
daqui e ate ao final do ano devemos ter uma boa subida no ouro e GDXJ

A paragem do QE pode prejudicar isso, por via da valorização do dolar?

acho que vai ser o oposto, como ja esta descontado vai acontecer uma surpresa
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« Responder #593 em: 2014-08-06 14:36:26 »
daqui e ate ao final do ano devemos ter uma boa subida no ouro e GDXJ

A paragem do QE pode prejudicar isso, por via da valorização do dolar?

Como se as noivas indianas quisessem saber do dólar. :D

Em Setembro vem a época dos casamentos na Índia, em Dezembro vem a época dos presentes de Natal no Ocidente e depois vem a época dos presentes de ano novo na China. Por isso é plausível que o ouro suba de Setembro a Janeiro.
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« Responder #594 em: 2014-08-06 15:21:36 »
Indices de ações a cair e ouro a subir.
Será que iniciou uma deslocação de capital do maior risco para refúgio?
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« Responder #595 em: 2014-08-06 16:21:30 »
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« Responder #596 em: 2014-09-10 18:40:52 »
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« Responder #597 em: 2014-09-10 18:42:48 »
cuidado com os 1240

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« Responder #598 em: 2014-09-10 19:15:10 »
cuidado com os 1240

Tem um suporte mensal muito forte
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