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Re:Krugman et al
« Responder #841 em: 2013-01-17 19:18:00 »
"... Paul Krugman acabou por admitir que “não faria as coisas de forma muito diferente daquilo que está a ser feito em Portugal”."

 ???  ::)


qual é a surpresa, quico?
só países com soberania sobre a própria moeda podem praticar políticas expansionárias monetárias.
nós não temos como aumentar a massa monetária. não temos moeda...
sendo assim, há pouco a fazer.
excepto claro, sair do euro.

isto não é novidade, já foi explicado há mais que tempo. os periféricos, sem moeda própria, estão atados de pés e mãos.

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« Responder #842 em: 2013-01-17 22:14:25 »
The Eurozone Crisis Is Over, but the Eurozone Economy Is Worse Than Ever
By Matthew Yglesias | Posted Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2013, at 11:03 AM ET

One of the odder trends this winter is the widespread sense that the eurozone crisis is "over" and Mario Draghi's "whatever it takes" speech saved the day.

It's not that I think the conventional wisdom is wrong, exactly. But the eurozone has slid back into recession over the course of 2012 and if anything the recession seems to be getting worse. Not only are Greece and Spain in tatters and Ireland basically treading water, but German GDP shrank 0.5 percent in the forth quarter. That's hardly the worst recession on the record books. And if Germany improves a little in Q1 they may even avoid technical recession altogether. But Germany, you'll recall, is the country that's supposed to be doing well. And that's not a "doing well" number. It's not even close. Things are so bad that EU officials are touting Latvia as a success story even though Latvian GDP is still 16 percent below peak level.
Worst of all, as Ambrose Evans-Pierce writes the European Central Bank seems to have entirely washed its hands of the situation, deciding that as long as there's no acute banking crisis they don't need to care about anything else. This is, among other things, exactly the attitude from the Trichet-Weber years that let the acute banking crisis develop. Over the long-term, it's all tied together. Banks and sovereigns can't be solvent if citizens don't have incomes, Germany can't export if Spain can't import.

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« Responder #843 em: 2013-01-17 22:16:01 »
The Fiscal Stimulus "Spillover" Problem
By Matthew Yglesias | Posted Thursday, Jan. 17, 2013, at 12:35 PM ET

An economic boom in the United States is good news for Canada, which exports a lot of stuff to us. By the same token, a recession in the United Kingdrom creates big problems for Ireland. Alan Auerbach and Yuriy Gorodnichenko investigate whether this means that fiscal policy creates "output spillovers" that go from one country to its trade partners and find that the answer is yes—"cross-country spillovers have an important impact, and also confirm those of our earlier papers that fiscal shocks have a larger impact when the affected country is in recession."

You can add this to the pile of reasons that conducting optimal fiscal policy as a matter of political reality is a good deal harder than it can look in a sketched out economic model. But it also explains a lot of Europe's problems.

Simply put, austerity would be working better in Italy if it weren't also being practiced in Spain and France and the United Kingdom. And austerity would be working better in France if it weren't also being practied in Spain and the United Kingdom and Italy. Lather, rinse, and repeat as you like. The point is that coordinated contractionary policy can be much more damaging than policy undertaken on its own. One of the most striking things to me about the faux-fixed eurozone crisis is that basically none of the deep institutional problems that have created the current mess have been resolved. They are, to be sure, really hard problems to resolve. But having gone in on tight economic integration, the continent's leaders really have no choice but to start trying to confront this stuff.

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« Responder #844 em: 2013-01-18 23:54:29 »
The Dwindling Deficit
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 17, 2013

It’s hard to turn on your TV or read an editorial page these days without encountering someone declaring, with an air of great seriousness, that excessive spending and the resulting budget deficit is our biggest problem. Such declarations are rarely accompanied by any argument about why we should believe this; it’s supposed to be part of what everyone knows.

This is, however, a case in which what everyone knows just ain’t so. The budget deficit isn’t our biggest problem, by a long shot. Furthermore, it’s a problem that is already, to a large degree, solved. The medium-term budget outlook isn’t great, but it’s not terrible either — and the long-term outlook gets much more attention than it should.

It’s true that right now we have a large federal budget deficit. But that deficit is mainly the result of a depressed economy — and you’re actually supposed to run deficits in a depressed economy to help support overall demand. The deficit will come down as the economy recovers: Revenue will rise while some categories of spending, such as unemployment benefits, will fall. Indeed, that’s already happening. (And similar things are happening at the state and local levels — for example, California appears to be back in budget surplus.)

Still, will economic recovery be enough to stabilize the fiscal outlook? The answer is, pretty much.

Recently the nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities took Congressional Budget Office projections for the next decade and updated them to take account of two major deficit-reduction actions: the spending cuts agreed to in 2011, amounting to almost $1.5 trillion over the next decade; and the roughly $600 billion in tax increases on the affluent agreed to at the beginning of this year. What the center finds is a budget outlook that, as I said, isn’t great but isn’t terrible: It projects that the ratio of debt to G.D.P., the standard measure of America’s debt position, will be only modestly higher in 2022 than it is now.

The center calls for another $1.4 trillion in deficit reduction, which would completely stabilize the debt ratio; President Obama has called for roughly the same amount. Even without such actions, however, the budget outlook for the next 10 years doesn’t look at all alarming.

Now, projections that run further into the future do suggest trouble, as an aging population and rising health care costs continue to push federal spending higher. But here’s a question you almost never see seriously addressed: Why, exactly, should we believe that it’s necessary, or even possible, to decide right now how we will eventually address the budget issues of the 2030s?

Consider, for example, the case of Social Security. There was a case for paying down debt before the baby boomers began to retire, making it easier to pay full benefits later. But George W. Bush squandered the Clinton surplus on tax cuts and wars, and that window has closed. At this point, “reform” proposals are all about things like raising the retirement age or changing the inflation adjustment, moves that would gradually reduce benefits relative to current law. What problem is this supposed to solve?

Well, it’s probable (although not certain) that, within two or three decades, the Social Security trust fund will be exhausted, leaving the system unable to pay the full benefits specified by current law. So the plan is to avoid cuts in future benefits by committing right now to ... cuts in future benefits. Huh?

O.K., you can argue that the adjustment to an aging population would be smoother if we commit to a glide path of benefit cuts now. On the other hand, by moving too soon we might lock in benefit cuts that turn out not to have been necessary. And much the same logic applies to Medicare. So there’s a reasonable argument for leaving the question of how to deal with future problems up to future politicians.

The point is that the case for urgent action now to reduce spending decades in the future is far weaker than conventional rhetoric might lead you to suspect. And, no, it’s nothing like the case for urgent action on climate change.

So, no big problem in the medium term, no strong case for worrying now about long-run budget issues.

The deficit scolds dominating policy debate will, of course, fiercely resist any attempt to downgrade their favorite issue. They love living in an atmosphere of fiscal crisis: It lets them stroke their chins and sound serious, and it also provides an excuse for slashing social programs, which often seems to be their real objective.

But neither the current deficit nor projected future spending deserve to be anywhere near the top of our political agenda. It’s time to focus on other stuff — like the still-depressed state of the economy and the still-terrible problem of long-term unemployment.

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« Responder #845 em: 2013-01-20 21:10:48 »
Inequality Is Holding Back The Recovery
By JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ


The re-election of President Obama was like a Rorschach test, subject to many interpretations. In this election, each side debated issues that deeply worry me: the long malaise into which the economy seems to be settling, and the growing divide between the 1 percent and the rest — an inequality not only of outcomes but also of opportunity. To me, these problems are two sides of the same coin: with inequality at its highest level since before the Depression, a robust recovery will be difficult in the short term, and the American dream — a good life in exchange for hard work — is slowly dying.

Politicians typically talk about rising inequality and the sluggish recovery as separate phenomena, when they are in fact intertwined. Inequality stifles, restrains and holds back our growth. When even the free-market-oriented magazine The Economist argues — as it did in a special feature in October — that the magnitude and nature of the country’s inequality represent a serious threat to America, we should know that something has gone horribly wrong. And yet, after four decades of widening inequality and the greatest economic downturn since the Depression, we haven’t done anything about it.

A fifth of our kids live in poverty — an aberration among rich nations.
There are four major reasons inequality is squelching our recovery. The most immediate is that our middle class is too weak to support the consumer spending that has historically driven our economic growth. While the top 1 percent of income earners took home 93 percent of the growth in incomes in 2010, the households in the middle — who are most likely to spend their incomes rather than save them and who are, in a sense, the true job creators — have lower household incomes, adjusted for inflation, than they did in 1996. The growth in the decade before the crisis was unsustainable — it was reliant on the bottom 80 percent consuming about 110 percent of their income.

Second, the hollowing out of the middle class since the 1970s, a phenomenon interrupted only briefly in the 1990s, means that they are unable to invest in their future, by educating themselves and their children and by starting or improving businesses.

Third, the weakness of the middle class is holding back tax receipts, especially because those at the top are so adroit in avoiding taxes and in getting Washington to give them tax breaks. The recent modest agreement to restore Clinton-level marginal income-tax rates for individuals making more than $400,000 and households making more than $450,000 did nothing to change this. Returns from Wall Street speculation are taxed at a far lower rate than other forms of income. Low tax receipts mean that the government cannot make the vital investments in infrastructure, education, research and health that are crucial for restoring long-term economic strength.

Fourth, inequality is associated with more frequent and more severe boom-and-bust cycles that make our economy more volatile and vulnerable. Though inequality did not directly cause the crisis, it is no coincidence that the 1920s — the last time inequality of income and wealth in the United States was so high — ended with the Great Crash and the Depression. The International Monetary Fund has noted the systematic relationship between economic instability and economic inequality, but American leaders haven’t absorbed the lesson.

Our skyrocketing inequality — so contrary to our meritocratic ideal of America as a place where anyone with hard work and talent can “make it” — means that those who are born to parents of limited means are likely never to live up to their potential. Children in other rich countries like Canada, France, Germany and Sweden have a better chance of doing better than their parents did than American kids have. More than a fifth of our children live in poverty — the second worst of all the advanced economies, putting us behind countries like Bulgaria, Latvia and Greece.

Our society is squandering its most valuable resource: our young. The dream of a better life that attracted immigrants to our shores is being crushed by an ever-widening chasm of income and wealth. Tocqueville, who in the 1830s found the egalitarian impulse to be the essence of the American character, is rolling in his grave.

Even were we able to ignore the economic imperative of fixing our inequality problem, the damage it is doing to our social fabric and political life should prompt us to worry. Economic inequality leads to political inequality and a broken decision-making process.

Despite Mr. Obama’s stated commitment to helping all Americans, the recession and the lingering effects of the way it was handled have made matters much, much worse. While bailout money poured into the banks in 2009, unemployment soared to 10 percent that October. The rate today (7.8 percent) appears better partly because so many people have dropped out of the labor force, or never entered it, or accepted part-time jobs because there was no full-time job for them.

High unemployment, of course, depresses wages. Adjusted for inflation, real wages have stagnated or fallen; a typical male worker’s income in 2011 ($32,986) was lower than it was in 1968 ($33,880). Lower tax receipts, in turn, have forced state and local cutbacks in services vital to those at the bottom and middle.

Most Americans’ most important asset is their home, and as home prices have plummeted, so has household wealth — especially since so many had borrowed so much on their homes. Large numbers are left with negative net worth, and median household wealth fell nearly 40 percent, to $77,300 in 2010 from $126,400 in 2007, and has rebounded only slightly. Since the Great Recession, most of the increase in the nation’s wealth has gone to the very top.

Meanwhile, as incomes have stagnated or fallen, tuition has soared. In the United States now, the principal way to get education — the only sure way to move up — is to borrow. In 2010, student debt, now $1 trillion, exceeded credit-card debt for the first time.

Student debt can almost never be wiped out, even in bankruptcy. A parent who co-signs a loan can’t necessarily have the debt discharged even if his child dies. The debt can’t be discharged even if the school — operated for profit and owned by exploitative financiers — provided an inadequate education, enticed the student with misleading promises, and failed to get her a decent job.

Instead of pouring money into the banks, we could have tried rebuilding the economy from the bottom up. We could have enabled homeowners who were “underwater” — those who owe more money on their homes than the homes are worth — to get a fresh start, by writing down principal, in exchange for giving banks a share of the gains if and when home prices recovered.

Obama bailed out banks but didn’t invest enough in workers and students.
We could have recognized that when young people are jobless, their skills atrophy. We could have made sure that every young person was either in school, in a training program or on a job. Instead, we let youth unemployment rise to twice the national average. The children of the rich can stay in college or attend graduate school, without accumulating enormous debt, or take unpaid internships to beef up their résumés. Not so for those in the middle and bottom. We are sowing the seeds of ever more inequality in the coming years.

The Obama administration does not, of course, bear the sole blame. President George W. Bush’s steep tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 and his multitrillion-dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan emptied the piggy bank while exacerbating the great divide. His party’s newfound commitment to fiscal discipline — in the form of insisting on low taxes for the rich while slashing services for the poor — is the height of hypocrisy.

There are all kinds of excuses for inequality. Some say it’s beyond our control, pointing to market forces like globalization, trade liberalization, the technological revolution, the “rise of the rest.” Others assert that doing anything about it would make us all worse off, by stifling our already sputtering economic engine. These are self-serving, ignorant falsehoods.

Market forces don’t exist in a vacuum — we shape them. Other countries, like fast-growing Brazil, have shaped them in ways that have lowered inequality while creating more opportunity and higher growth. Countries far poorer than ours have decided that all young people should have access to food, education and health care so they can fulfill their aspirations.

Our legal framework and the way we enforce it has provided more scope here for abuses by the financial sector; for perverse compensation for chief executives; for monopolies’ ability to take unjust advantage of their concentrated power.

Yes, the market values some skills more highly than others, and those who have those skills will do well. Yes, globalization and technological advances have led to the loss of good manufacturing jobs, which are not likely ever to come back. Global manufacturing employment is shrinking, simply because of enormous increases in productivity, and America is likely to get a shrinking share of the shrinking number of new jobs. If we do succeed in “saving” these jobs, it may be only by converting higher-paid jobs to lower-paid ones — hardly a long-term strategy.

Globalization, and the unbalanced way it has been pursued, has shifted bargaining power away from workers: firms can threaten to move elsewhere, especially when tax laws treat such overseas investments so favorably. This in turn has weakened unions, and though unions have sometimes been a source of rigidity, the countries that responded most effectively to the global financial crisis, like Germany and Sweden, have strong unions and strong systems of social protection.

As Mr. Obama’s second term begins, we must all face the fact that our country cannot quickly, meaningfully recover without policies that directly address inequality. What’s needed is a comprehensive response that should include, at least, significant investments in education, a more progressive tax system and a tax on financial speculation.

The good news is that our thinking has been reframed: it used to be that we asked how much growth we would be willing to sacrifice for a little more equality and opportunity. Now we realize that we are paying a high price for our inequality and that alleviating it and promoting growth are intertwined, complementary goals. It will be up to all of us — our leaders included — to muster the courage and foresight to finally treat this beleaguering malady.

stiglitz - NYT
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« Responder #846 em: 2013-01-20 21:15:55 »
Inequality and Recovery

Joe Stiglitz has an Opinionator piece arguing that inequality is a big factor in our slow recovery. Joe is an insanely great economist, so everything he says should be taken seriously. And given my political views and general concerns about inequality, I’d like to agree.

But — you knew there was a “but” coming — I’ve thought about these issues a lot, and haven’t been able to persuade myself that this particular morality tale is right.

It’s worth noting that two of Joe’s four points aren’t really about the current recovery. He argues that high inequality is causing huge waste of human talent, because the poor and increasingly the middle class lack access to good education; and I agree. He also argues that inequality fosters financial crisis, and I agree with that too.

But we’re talking about the financial crisis aftermath, not the crisis itself. What role does inequality play?

First, Joe offers a version of the “underconsumption” hypothesis, basically that the rich spend too little of their income. This hypothesis has a long history — but it also has well-known theoretical and empirical problems.

It’s true that at any given point in time the rich have much higher savings rates than the poor. Since Milton Friedman, however, we’ve know that this fact is to an important degree a sort of statistical illusion. Consumer spending tends to reflect expected income over an extended period. If you take a sample of people with high incomes, you will disproportionally include people who are having an especially good year, and will therefore be saving a lot; correspondingly, a sample of people with low incomes will include many having a particularly bad year, and hence living off savings. So the cross-sectional evidence on saving doesn’t tell you that a sustained higher concentration of incomes at the top will lead to higher savings; it really tells you nothing at all about what will happen.

So you turn to the data. We all know that personal saving dropped as inequality rose; but maybe the rich were in effect having corporations save on their behalf. So look at overall private saving as a share of GDP:


The trend before the crisis was down, not up — and that surge with the crisis clearly wasn’t driven by a surge in inequality.

So am I saying that you can have full employment based on purchases of yachts, luxury cars, and the services of personal trainers and celebrity chefs? Well, yes. You don’t have to like it, but economics is not a morality play, and I’ve yet to see a macroeconomic argument about why it isn’t possible.

Joe also argues that high income inequality depresses tax receipts, fueling fiscal fears. Again, I have trouble with this point: our tax system isn’t as progressive as it should be, but it is at least mildly progressive even when you take state and local taxes into account. So I don’t know where this is coming from.

I wish I could sign on to this thesis, and I’d be politically very comfortable if I could. But I can’t see how this works.

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« Responder #847 em: 2013-01-20 22:07:44 »
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Our skyrocketing inequality — so contrary to our meritocratic ideal of America as a place where anyone with hard work and talent can “make it” — means that those who are born to parents of limited means are likely never to live up to their potential. Children in other rich countries like Canada, France, Germany and Sweden have a better chance of doing better than their parents did than American kids have. More than a fifth of our children live in poverty — the second worst of all the advanced economies, putting us behind countries like Bulgaria, Latvia and Greece.

A medida de pobreza a que o Krugman se refere não é comparável de país para país, porque referencia o próprio nível de riqueza do país, ou seja, um "pobre" nos EUA pode estar a um nível de rendimento muito superior ao que seria um "pobre" na Grécia.
 
 
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Most Americans’ most important asset is their home, and as home prices have plummeted, so has household wealth — especially since so many had borrowed so much on their homes. Large numbers are left with negative net worth, and median household wealth fell nearly 40 percent, to $77,300 in 2010 from $126,400 in 2007, and has rebounded only slightly. Since the Great Recession, most of the increase in the nation’s wealth has gone to the very top.

Isto aconteceu porque duas das classes de activos que implodiram com a crise foram o imobiliário (detido alargadamente) e as acções (detido essencialmente pelos mais ricos). Ao passo que as medidas da Fed  recuperaram inteiramente as acções, mas pouco fizeram para recuperar o imobiliário - o resultado é que o activo que mais pessoas tinham não recuperou, o activo que as camadas mais ricas tinham, recuperou. Logo o topo de riqueza recuperou praticamente tudo o que tinha perdido e os outros não.
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein

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« Responder #848 em: 2013-01-20 23:51:36 »
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Bem, vejamos o tamanho da incoerencia.
Escolher quem vai governar toda uma população, não é mais que escolher quem vai gerir e e de que forma vai distribuir os recursos de toda uma nação.
Para essa tarefa, de escolher a equipa governativa, têm de ser meia duzia de iluminados.
Agora, para decidir de que forma se vão distribuir uma parte desses recursos, já achas que pode ser uma decisão livre de cada um.....

Os EUA só poderão mesmo ter uma desigualdade violenta, quando no mesmo país tens uma montanha de pessoas capazes de competir com os melhores do mundo, e uma montanha de pessoas que nem produzir o que os Chineses produzem, conseguem ... é uma receita impossível de evitar, a desigualdade brutal em tal situação.
 
De resto é algo que também se está a verificar em Portugal, basta olhar à volta.
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« Responder #849 em: 2013-01-21 18:12:23 »
Leprechaun, não confundas a desigualdade na distribuição da riqueza, com a desigualdade na distribuição do rendimento. Nos países nórdicos a desigualdade na distribuição do rendimento é muito menor que nos EUA/Portugal, mas a desigualdade na distribuição da riqueza, nem por isso.
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« Responder #850 em: 2013-01-22 00:20:28 »
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi

a suica esta em deflacao, precisamos do krugman para ajudar

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« Responder #851 em: 2013-01-22 10:16:46 »
The Big Deal
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 20, 2013 426 Comments

On the day President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, an exuberant Vice President Biden famously pronounced the reform a “big something deal” — except that he didn’t use the word “something.” And he was right.

In fact, I’d suggest using this phrase to describe the Obama administration as a whole. F.D.R. had his New Deal; well, Mr. Obama has his Big Deal. He hasn't delivered everything his supporters wanted, and at times the survival of his achievements seemed very much in doubt. But if progressives look at where we are as the second term begins, they’ll find grounds for a lot of (qualified) satisfaction.

Consider, in particular, three areas: health care, inequality and financial reform.

Health reform is, as Mr. Biden suggested, the centerpiece of the Big Deal. Progressives have been trying to get some form of universal health insurance since the days of Harry Truman; they’ve finally succeeded.

True, this wasn’t the health reform many were looking for. Rather than simply providing health insurance to everyone by extending Medicare to cover the whole population, we’ve constructed a Rube Goldberg device of regulations and subsidies that will cost more than single-payer and have many more cracks for people to fall through.

But this was what was possible given the political reality — the power of the insurance industry, the general reluctance of voters with good insurance to accept change. And experience with Romneycare in Massachusetts — hey, this is a great age for irony — shows that such a system is indeed workable, and it can provide Americans with a huge improvement in medical and financial security.

What about inequality? On that front, sad to say, the Big Deal falls very far short of the New Deal. Like F.D.R., Mr. Obama took office in a nation marked by huge disparities in income and wealth. But where the New Deal had a revolutionary impact, empowering workers and creating a middle-class society that lasted for 40 years, the Big Deal has been limited to equalizing policies at the margin.

That said, health reform will provide substantial aid to the bottom half of the income distribution, paid for largely through new taxes targeted on the top 1 percent, and the “fiscal cliff” deal further raises taxes on the affluent. Over all, 1-percenters will see their after-tax income fall around 6 percent; for the top tenth of a percent, the hit rises to around 9 percent. This will reverse only a fraction of the huge upward redistribution that has taken place since 1980, but it’s not trivial.

Finally, there’s financial reform. The Dodd-Frank reform bill is often disparaged as toothless, and it’s certainly not the kind of dramatic regime change one might have hoped for after runaway bankers brought the world economy to its knees.

Still, if plutocratic rage is any indication, the reform isn’t as toothless as all that. And Wall Street put its money where its mouth is. For example, hedge funds strongly favored Mr. Obama in 2008 — but in 2012 they gave three-quarters of their money to Republicans (and lost).

All in all, then, the Big Deal has been, well, a pretty big deal. But will its achievements last?

Mr. Obama overcame the biggest threat to his legacy simply by winning re-election. But George W. Bush also won re-election, a victory widely heralded as signaling the coming of a permanent conservative majority. So will Mr. Obama’s moment of glory prove equally fleeting? I don’t think so.

For one thing, the Big Deal’s main policy initiatives are already law. This is a contrast with Mr. Bush, who didn’t try to privatize Social Security until his second term — and it turned out that a “khaki” election won by posing as the nation’s defender against terrorists didn’t give him a mandate to dismantle a highly popular program.

And there’s another contrast: the Big Deal agenda is, in fact, fairly popular — and will become more popular once Obamacare goes into effect and people see both its real benefits and the fact that it won’t send Grandma to the death panels.

Finally, progressives have the demographic and cultural wind at their backs. Right-wingers flourished for decades by exploiting racial and social divisions — but that strategy has now turned against them as we become an increasingly diverse, socially liberal nation.

Now, none of what I’ve just said should be taken as grounds for progressive complacency. The plutocrats may have lost a round, but their wealth and the influence it gives them in a money-driven political system remain. Meanwhile, the deficit scolds (largely financed by those same plutocrats) are still trying to bully Mr. Obama into slashing social programs.

So the story is far from over. Still, maybe progressives — an ever-worried group — might want to take a brief break from anxiety and savor their real, if limited, victories.

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« Responder #852 em: 2013-01-28 05:54:41 »
Economist Hans Hermann-Hoppe rips Paul Krugman on Money Printing 01-10-13

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« Responder #853 em: 2013-01-28 19:28:14 »
Ratings and Rates

The interest rate on U.S. long term debt is up a bit, briefly breaking above 2 percent today. So, is this reflecting worries about US debt sustainability?

Of course not — and by now it seems that even financial reporters get it. The main cause of the slight uptick, according to news reports, was a better-than-expected durable goods number, which brings marginally closer the day when the Fed might finally start raising rates. In other words, it was economic optimism, not pessimism, behind the rate rise.

And according to the FT Alphaville post linked above, a second reason may have been a statement by Fitch that a US downgrade is less likely. That’s right, reduced fears of a downgrade lead to higher, not lower, US borrowing costs.

Why? Because scare talk from the rating agencies feeds the deficit scolds, making destructive austerity more likely, and therefore pushing back the date when the Fed might raise rates. You might say that the only thing we have to fear from the rating agencies is fear itself — not market fear, because the bond markets don’t seem to care, but political fear, the instinctive tendency to overreact to talk of bond vigilantes.

All of which is just a bit more evidence that everything the Very Serious People have been saying about confidence and the bond markets is wrong.

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« Responder #854 em: 2013-01-28 22:59:04 »
Lark, parece-me haver uma falácia de fundo nessa opinião que o Krugman tem dito tantas vezes: que as actuais yields baixas lhe dão razão.

Como é que ele sabe que elas não vão subir, mesmo disparar, para uns 10 ou 15%? Não há absolutamente nada de fundamental que o impeça. Basta o mercado perder a confiança nas obrigações e isso acontece. A confiança evapora-se de um momento para o outro. É um fenómeno de psicologia do mercado, não só de fundamentais.

Hint: em Fevereiro de 2000 alguém poderia dizer que as cotações da PT Multimédia (na altura a € 140) eram aquelas, que os fundamentais a isso obrigavam, porque se assim não fosse já tinham caído.

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« Responder #855 em: 2013-01-28 23:57:52 »
Lark, parece-me haver uma falácia de fundo nessa opinião que o Krugman tem dito tantas vezes: que as actuais yields baixas lhe dão razão.

Como é que ele sabe que elas não vão subir, mesmo disparar, para uns 10 ou 15%? Não há absolutamente nada de fundamental que o impeça. Basta o mercado perder a confiança nas obrigações e isso acontece. A confiança evapora-se de um momento para o outro. É um fenómeno de psicologia do mercado, não só de fundamentais.

Hint: em Fevereiro de 2000 alguém poderia dizer que as cotações da PT Multimédia (na altura a € 140) eram aquelas, que os fundamentais a isso obrigavam, porque se assim não fosse já tinham caído.

já lá vão 6 anos e elas não subiram, tal como ele disse. é evidente que algum dia subirão. o que ele afirmou é que no contexto da armadilha de liquidez, elas não subiriam. e não subiram.
agora que a economia está a sair do buraco e que começa a haver perspectivas de recuperação económica e principalmente, expectativas credíveis de inflação (benigna)  é que poderão começar a subir qualquer coisa.

até agora bateu certinho com o que ele disse. não há nenhuma falácia.

L
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« Responder #856 em: 2013-01-29 01:39:49 »
Lark, parece-me haver uma falácia de fundo nessa opinião que o Krugman tem dito tantas vezes: que as actuais yields baixas lhe dão razão.

Como é que ele sabe que elas não vão subir, mesmo disparar, para uns 10 ou 15%? Não há absolutamente nada de fundamental que o impeça. Basta o mercado perder a confiança nas obrigações e isso acontece. A confiança evapora-se de um momento para o outro. É um fenómeno de psicologia do mercado, não só de fundamentais.

Hint: em Fevereiro de 2000 alguém poderia dizer que as cotações da PT Multimédia (na altura a € 140) eram aquelas, que os fundamentais a isso obrigavam, porque se assim não fosse já tinham caído.

já lá vão 6 anos e elas não subiram, tal como ele disse. é evidente que algum dia subirão. o que ele afirmou é que no contexto da armadilha de liquidez, elas não subiriam. e não subiram.
agora que a economia está a sair do buraco e que começa a haver perspectivas de recuperação económica e principalmente, expectativas credíveis de inflação (benigna)  é que poderão começar a subir qualquer coisa.

até agora bateu certinho com o que ele disse. não há nenhuma falácia.

L

esperemos que seja tudo verdade e que o relojoeiro saiba do que fala

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« Responder #857 em: 2013-01-30 04:53:21 »
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taleb sobre o krugman: "risk is not his thing", "krugman has no consciousness of risk", "he is endagering the public by giving reduced models"
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« Responder #858 em: 2013-01-30 12:34:22 »
Nassim Taleb Talks Antifragile, Libertarianism, and Capitalism's Genius for Failure

taleb sobre o krugman: "risk is not his thing", "krugman has no consciousness of risk", "he is endagering the public by giving reduced models"


porquê?  é só botar faladura?
O Kruman acompanha sempre as suas afirmações com as razões porque o afirma. apresenta os raciocínios e os números que lhe dão base.
se se quiser refutar as suas afirmações é simples: é pegar nos números e demonstrar poque é que o racicínio está errado.

inflizmente, não vejo ninguém, mas mesmo ninguém, fazer isto. só vejo name calling, afirmações não fundadas sem  racionais ou números que façam sentido.

tu ó zel, que ficas todo abespinhado quando suspeitas que te estão a apresentar um argumento de autoridade, não fizeste senão outra coisa nos últimos dois posts.
puseste umas cabeças falantes a dizer que o krugman tem mau hálito, que cheira mal dos pés, que tem barba e usa óculos.

L
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Be Kind; Everyone You Meet is Fighting a Battle.
Ian Mclaren
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If you have more than you need, build a longer table rather than a taller fence.
l6l803399
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So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

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« Responder #859 em: 2013-01-30 13:00:11 »
Nassim Taleb Talks Antifragile, Libertarianism, and Capitalism's Genius for Failure

taleb sobre o krugman: "risk is not his thing", "krugman has no consciousness of risk", "he is endagering the public by giving reduced models"


porquê?  é só botar faladura?
O Kruman acompanha sempre as suas afirmações com as razões porque o afirma. apresenta os raciocínios e os números que lhe dão base.
se se quiser refutar as suas afirmações é simples: é pegar nos números e demonstrar poque é que o racicínio está errado.

inflizmente, não vejo ninguém, mas mesmo ninguém, fazer isto. só vejo name calling, afirmações não fundadas sem  racionais ou números que façam sentido.

tu ó zel, que ficas todo abespinhado quando suspeitas que te estão a apresentar um argumento de autoridade, não fizeste senão outra coisa nos últimos dois posts.
puseste umas cabeças falantes a dizer que o krugman tem mau hálito, que cheira mal dos pés, que tem barba e usa óculos.

L


para perceberes os argumentos do taleb le o ultimo livro dele, antifragile, e' um excelente livro com implicacoes praticas na nossa vida

a propria entrevista tem imensos argumentos mas para o principal, sobre os modelos do krugman, eh preciso ler o livro