Melhor broker para forex

[JoaoAP]

Por exemplo, esta:
http://www.forexbrokerz.com/brokers/ibfx-forex-broker
é muito baixo, será por ser uma STP - Straight Through Processing?

Mas:

Many brokers provide wonderful services and platform, but most of them do not want to admit that they are market makers. There are even worst types, where they claim that they are Straight Through Processing framework (STP), but only a minority of their clients are applied STP

Mau.... não é fácil escolher um!

[JoaoAP]

The Different Types of Forex Broker

Those new to Foreign exchange trading often become quickly confused when they come across people talking about the different types of Foreign exchange brokerages. Forex brokers can be divided up into two different categories; those who operate a Dealing Desk and those who do not. Brokers who operate a Dealing Desk are most commonly referred to as being Market Makers. The category of brokerages which do not operate dealing desks can be further subdivided, into STP and ECN brokers. STP stands for Straight Through Processing and ECN stands for Electronic communication network. Later on we well explain the key difference between STP and ECN brokerages.

Introducing Market Makers/Dealing Desk Brokers

Market makers or Dealing Desk brokers, make their money through spreads and trading against clients. These brokerages literally create a market, by offering both a buy and sell quote themselves. This means that Market makers are the counter-party to a clients trades, in other words they take on the risk of the clients position. Many people think this creates a conflict of interest, as it appears that it is in the best interest of the brokerage for their clients to lose. However, the majority of Market Makers engage in hedging and also limit their risk by offering a spread wider than on the inter-bank market. Meaning that the brokerage can turn a profit even if some of their traders make a considerable amount of money.

You will find Market Makers offering both fixed and variable spreads. Clients of Market Makers, do not see the underlying Inter-bank market prices and are rather quoted a rate by the brokerage. While this may seem alarming, the rabid competition between Foreign exchange brokerages means that the rates offered are the same or very close to the rates quoted on the Inter-bank market. Their are a number of Market makers who offer both an excellent level of service and competitive spreads.

Let’s say you Buy 10 lots of the EUR/USD with a dealing desk brokerage. The brokerage will first attempt to find a matching order on their client book. For instance if someone Sold 10 Lots of the EUR/USD, at the same time as your buy order the brokerage would be able to make a profit off the spread. When such brokerages can not match their orders internally, they will go to their liquidity provider(s) and hedge the position. If the spread offered by the liquidity provider is smaller than the spread offer by the brokerage, the broker can still make a profit though generally a smaller one. Just how brokerages manage their risk varies but the majority of reputable market makers will engage in some sort of hedging.

Introducing No Dealing Desk Brokers

As the name would suggest, No Dealing Desk brokers pass their clients trades through any sort of Dealing desk. This means that the broker doesn’t take the other side of a clients trade, i.e they do not act as the counter-party. But rather simply connect two individuals or organisations together.

No Dealing Desk Brokers act as intermediaries and help traders connect with one another. These brokerages can make their money in two different ways, firstly they can charge commission or alternatively they can increase the spread slightly profiting from the difference. No Dealing Desk Brokerages operate using either the ECN or STP model.

Introducing STP (Straight Through Processing) Brokers

Their are a number of STP brokerages that claim that they are in fact ECN’s, but the two types of brokerages differ in a number of ways. Those operating using the STP model simply rout their clients directly to one of their liquidity providers, who have access to the interbank market. The majority of STP brokerages will have a number of different liquidity providers, with each liquidity provider quoting it’s own bid and ask price.


Bid (Sell)   Ask (Buy)
Liquidity Provider A   1.3000   1.3004
Liquidity Provider B   1.3001   1.3004
Liquidity Provider C   1.3002   1.3003

The brokerages system will then sort the various quotes from their liquidity providers from best to worst. In the above example the best Bid (Sell) quote comes from Liquidity provider A, while the Ask (Buy) quote is offered by Liquidity provider C. So the spread offered by the STP in this instance will be 1.3000 – 1.3003.

The brokerage then profits by either charging the trader a commission or by increasing the spread offered to the trader by 1 or 2 pips. The fact that the prices offered by the various liquidity providers are always changing are the main reason why the vast majority of STP brokerages offer variable spreads. During news time or periods of high volatility, if the spreads of their liquidity providers widen then they are forced to pass these increased spreads onto their clients.

Introducing ECN brokers

True ECN brokers differ from STP in one crucial respect. An ECN brokerage allows their clients to directly interact with the other participants on the electronic communication network without acting as an intermediary.

The participants on the network can be very diverse and may include banks, other retail traders, hedge funds and even other brokerages. The traders on the network trade against one another by offering the best Bid and Ask prices. ECN’s also allow their traders to see the depth of the market, this means that ECN users can see the buy and sell orders of other market participants. This makes it difficult for ECN brokerages to slap on a fixed pip markup and the brokerages typically make their money by charging commission.

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[Zel]

investiguei varios brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

se tiverem outras sugestoes...  (excepto a Dif, hehe)

[JoaoAP]

investiguei varios brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

se tiverem outras sugestoes...  (excepto a Dif, hehe)

Muito interessante. Merci beaucoup, Neo.

Queria começar a compreender este mercado. Se tiver tempo...

[jeab]

investiguei varios brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

se tiverem outras sugestoes...  (excepto a Dif, hehe)

Depois conta como foi e como é ... eu ando a adiar e a adiar a abertura de conta real num broker Mt4 porque apanhar uma séria é como encontrar agulha em palheiro. É o jogo do gato e do rato ...  o objectivo deles é depenar o pato, legalmente ou não.

[Automek]

investiguei varios brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

se tiverem outras sugestoes...  (excepto a Dif, hehe)

Porque não usares a IB, uma vez que tens lá conta ? É também por causa do MT4 ?

[Peleospar]

a dukascopy tambem parece ser boa

[climber]

investiguei vários brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

Neo, algum feedback?
 Ao nível de comissões parece ser a mais atractiva, mas está na Austrália...

Alguém tem experiência com a FXPro? Comissões um pouco mais altas,mas a mesma plataforma (ctrader)

A plataforma (forex) da IB parece que parou no tempo, não acham?

[Incognitus]

Forex na IB é uma coisa essencialmente para transaccionar à mão. Faz o serviço e tem bons spreads mas não é particularmente atraente.

[Zel]

investiguei vários brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

Neo, algum feedback?
 Ao nível de comissões parece ser a mais atractiva, mas está na Austrália...

Alguém tem experiência com a FXPro? Comissões um pouco mais altas,mas a mesma plataforma (ctrader)

A plataforma (forex) da IB parece que parou no tempo, não acham?

Nao vejo um grande problema de estar na australia, eh regulado la. Eles tem bom feedback nos foruns de forex internacionais. O ECN esta em nova iorque, pode aumentar um pouco a latencia. Ainda nao posso dar feedback, so vou comecar a usar esta semana.

[Counter Retail Trader]

investiguei vários brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

Neo, algum feedback?
 Ao nível de comissões parece ser a mais atractiva, mas está na Austrália...

Alguém tem experiência com a FXPro? Comissões um pouco mais altas,mas a mesma plataforma (ctrader)

A plataforma (forex) da IB parece que parou no tempo, não acham?

Nao vejo um grande problema de estar na australia, eh regulado la. Eles tem bom feedback nos foruns de forex internacionais. O ECN esta em nova iorque, pode aumentar um pouco a latencia. Ainda nao posso dar feedback, so vou comecar a usar esta semana.

Não era essa que nao aceitavam Europeus? Abriste so para forex?

[Zel]

investiguei vários brokers e optei por este com ECN
http://www.icmarkets.com/

Neo, algum feedback?
 Ao nível de comissões parece ser a mais atractiva, mas está na Austrália...

Alguém tem experiência com a FXPro? Comissões um pouco mais altas,mas a mesma plataforma (ctrader)

A plataforma (forex) da IB parece que parou no tempo, não acham?

Nao vejo um grande problema de estar na australia, eh regulado la. Eles tem bom feedback nos foruns de forex internacionais. O ECN esta em nova iorque, pode aumentar um pouco a latencia. Ainda nao posso dar feedback, so vou comecar a usar esta semana.

Não era essa que nao aceitavam Europeus? Abriste so para forex?

nunca ouvi isso de nao aceitar europeus. abri uma conta "true ecn" que da para 77 CFDs, mas so vou usar o forex e o metatrader

http://www.icmarkets.com/true-ecn/

[Zel]

no uk acho que ha um seguro para o caso do broker fugir com o dinheiro (creio que sao 80k). nesse aspecto eh melhor. mas nao encontrei la nenhum broker com bons precos e transparencia. se encontrarem um partilhem, nesse caso eu consideraria mudar.

o ic markets nao eh DMA, usa o modelo "agency broker", apesar de tudo muito melhor do que o modelo de "market maker"

The Agency Broker model closely resembles the DMA model in that orders are hedged directly via the underlying physical market. Under this model, however, participants will not see their limit orders on the exchange as such orders are held by the provider and passed through only when they become marketable.

[Ledo]

Chegaste a ver o FXCM no UK? Nos trades tanto tenho slippage positivo, como negativo.

[Counter Retail Trader]

no uk acho que ha um seguro para o caso do broker fugir com o dinheiro (creio que sao 80k). nesse aspecto eh melhor. mas nao encontrei la nenhum broker com bons precos e transparencia. se encontrarem um partilhem, nesse caso eu consideraria mudar.

o ic markets nao eh DMA, usa o modelo "agency broker", apesar de tudo muito melhor do que o modelo de "market maker"

The Agency Broker model closely resembles the DMA model in that orders are hedged directly via the underlying physical market. Under this model, however, participants will not see their limit orders on the exchange as such orders are held by the provider and passed through only when they become marketable.

Que achaste do Swap ?

[Zel]

nao percebi a pergunta

[Counter Retail Trader]

nao percebi a pergunta

Swap Rates  da IC

[Zel]

http://www.icmarkets.com/forex-trading/trading-conditions/swap-rates/

[Counter Retail Trader]

http://www.icmarkets.com/forex-trading/trading-conditions/swap-rates/

Swaps are calculated and applied on every trading night. On Wednesday night swaps are charged at triple rate the usual rate.

Vou ver qual os cfds que dispoe

[Zel]

http://www.icmarkets.com/forex-trading/trading-conditions/swap-rates/

Swaps are calculated and applied on every trading night. On Wednesday night swaps are charged at triple rate the usual rate.

Vou ver qual os cfds que dispoe

nao tenho nocao se os precos das swaps sao competitivos, o que te parece? isso de triplicar nas quartas eh normal ?